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    Anti cheat info

    This was copied from the Nova Community Forums, since many of you play older games and can't access the Nova forums I thought it might be of interest.

    Thread started by: GIA Project Lead
    Like many of you, I think Joint Ops is a very good and (usually) fun game, in spite of a lot of flaws. But unfortunately, the worst flaw isn’t even a game bug. It’s the flood of cheats in the servers. Although streaming servers don’t have nearly the problem, the problem is still there none the less.



    Even worse than this, is the fact that when any game is no longer updated then more and more new cheat utilities are able to get past the anti-cheat measures without being detected. I’m sure we all know how bad it got with games like Half-life and Ghost Recon and many more. The only way you can even play some of the games online now is if you have a better cheat than anyone else. Otherwise, it doesn’t much matter how good you are, you just get killed because you’re the only one in the server who doesn’t have an aimbot or wall hack or some other kind prissy arse cheat utility. Needless to say, this is precisely why I no longer play a lot of games and it is the same reason I don’t play Joint Ops as much any more. Unfortunately, it is inevitable and all games eventually go down this road.



    This brings me to the point of this thread. I hate cheats and despise the cheaters that use them. But rather than whine and cry about it, I decided to see if I could do something to help the community and the honorable players reclaim the game servers and boot the cheaters. So, about 6 weeks ago, I began hashing out and designing the ultimate game security anti-cheat measure. It is called the GIA project.



    GIA stands for Game Independent Anti-cheat. It isn’t so much an anti-cheat program as it is a game security package. Given the design, when GIA is set to its highest security level, it is essentially 100% secure against all forms of cheats (not including glitching). With such efficient cheat protection, GIA has the potential of making Punk Buster obsolete.



    There are some minor details to work out in the high level design phase before we move on but I am very optimistic so far. GIA will be a separate program that runs independent of games. It could actually be used to protect any game and it would not interfere with other anti-cheats such as Punk Buster. It will run on both the server side and client side but does not require constant updating in order to keep up with the newest cheats. Basically, with the way GIA is designed, even if it was completed and never updated again, it would still be able to stop a cheat utility that is created years later. Because GIA has some properties of anti-virus software, firewalls, and other network and internet security packages, it has the ability to recognize that a particular program poses a security threat because it is unknown or foreign. Even, and especially, if a particular program or cheat isn’t able to be identified, GIA will still be able to catch it.



    So in conclusion, I would like to get some feedback, opinions, and suggestions on this. I would especially like to find out how interested the community actually is. Because we will need some very honorable, talented, and diverse programmers, I will soon be recruiting volunteers for the project unless the community support doesn’t fair well.



    I will be back in about a week or two to check the thread. I hope it stays alive and near the top.

    GIA Project Lead came back and answerd some player questions later. But it's to much to post here. The thread is located in the Joint Ops: Escalation section under The Ultimate Anti Cheat Software thread.
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    sounds ambitious but if you can pull it off you are da man reaper, you got my backing 110% if there's anything I can do email me. I have often thought that an invasive proggie would be part of the answer, along with a filter/firewall type server side portion. I stopped playing bhd a long time ago because of the aimbots, and wall hacks were one of the reasons I stopped playing bf too (aside from lack of time lol). It never ceases to amaze me that these punks want to play a game using cheats, its so lame - never knowing if they are any good or not, I could never understand it. It also amazes me that even after 4 years, c4 has only a couple of cheats, and few if any players use them - it would be so great if someone could have just fixed the 2 or 3 glitches in the game . . . but, nuf said. go for it !! I'd love to see BHD fixed, or JO. maybe JO can be saved.

    good luck with this

    nak aka wipersix

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    NO,NO,NO,NO
    Don't get the wrong impression, I copied and posted this to pass this along, Just thought some of you should see it.
    But go see the thread there is some good Q and A about what this guy wants to do.

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    Anything that would cut the cheating from a game has my support. I am by no means a top player in any game. But I dont need to make myself feel better by using cheats or glitches to make myself appear better than I am. I hope the project works and look forward to seeing it in the near future.

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    Anything that would get rid of or help to drop the number of senseless cheaters is a good thing in my book. Using hacks or cheats on servers to gain better stats and out gun other players is a nuisance and a down right shame. Obviously these people have no skills or the mentality to achieve good stats without using a hack.

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    I have my doubts. Anything can be bypassed. It will be like PB - streaming or not - it will keep the honest people honest.

    In addition, in order to communicate that I am cheating ( hypothetical ) - it will need to access the net while looking at what I have on my computer. I don't know this guy - for all I know, he could be snagging my pw's and banking info.

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    unfortunately, all valid points. but who knows, maybe the guy will come up with something great - stranger things have happened ! (hint for blue: don't keep your back account infor and passwords on the same machine you are gaming with !! lol )

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    Very good point Bluetiereign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakulak
    ..(hint for blue: don't keep your back account infor and passwords on the same machine you are gaming with !! lol )
    I have 6 different drives with 5 installs of XP (Multiboot Config) running on my machine. My 'online business' disk is locked x3 from any access. But when I look at other setups, on a majority of the computers I fix - even though the game is installed on a different drive - the info still sits there - fully accessible... that is what worries me.

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    sounds all nice to me.
    would it be capable of finding randomized md5?
    would it be able to handle this bs?
    http://msxsecurity.com/csh/
    i mean this s..t
    http://msxsecurity.com/csh/index.php?showtopic=6922

    if yes then i could imagine to play again jo from time to time.

    i'm thinking seriously about some autokick conditions in bf2, like
    kick if more than 200 pts
    kick if better than 2.0 kill / death
    kick if better than 2.0 score / minute

    but that would only work if you have a even field of skill present on the server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kill_me{FWD}
    sounds all nice to me.
    would it be capable of finding randomized md5?
    would it be able to handle this bs?
    http://msxsecurity.com/csh/
    i mean this s..t
    http://msxsecurity.com/csh/index.php?showtopic=6922...
    This dude is charging $20 A WEEK for 'VIP' member access to download his hacks.. . He has over a 100 VIP members at this price. So, right now, he's pulling down $8000 a month just supplying people with hacks and cheats that are supposedly invisible to PB. BTW, this is a BF2 Hack.

    Well... I'd get upset if I played anymore - but truthfully... EA deserves every hack thrown at them that they get - in fact, I'll go so far as to say they are asking for them - with all the points required (ie, time required ) to unlock weapons on a game that every person pays the same price to play. Its a ****ty tactic to get people to stay on their servers and play their game.

    But, back to the topic - the guy offering to make this 'anti-cheat' software is flirting with asking a price for his software. That made me think that a 'coder' might just have the perfect opportunity here to offer...

    The Scam: Give every player who buys a legit install of your cheats a 'pass' to continue playing with your 'anti-cheat' software installed... while all of those who grab free 'illegal' copies of your 'cheats' get caught (as well as other hacks )... 'Mark' the players that have the anti-cheat software installed and running - and your done. Since the database that the anti-cheat software will be using for reference will be remotely accessed to prevent hacking - there would be no way (except to read the packets) to prove anything - and even then, it will likely be encrypted. A very profitable Catch22. People paying - and getting what they pay for - from both ends.

    IMHO, the best thing that game companies could do for gamers... spend some serious time and money improving AI - cause unless it is a LAN game where you can actually watch what is going on - you can't trust multiplayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charger
    Anything that would get rid of or help to drop the number of senseless cheaters is a good thing in my book. Using hacks or cheats on servers to gain better stats and out gun other players is a nuisance and a down right shame. Obviously these people have no skills or the mentality to achieve good stats without using a hack.


    but we need the cheaters... without them.... awww screw it! get rid of every last dam* one of the little vermins! kill them all ::maniacal laughter::

    DIE DIE DIE DIE! DIE CHEATERS DIE!!!!!! HAHAHAHHAHA! WHO'S GOT THAT LAST LAUGH NOW? DIE!!!!!!!

    die!



    Oh and by the way:
    ofcourse
    I would rather have them die slow painful deaths
    Such as:
    Hello.

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    wow, thanks for the info blue.

    this guy has taken a page right out of the microsoft and AT&T manual - enable spamming so then you can charge a fee to stop it.

    what a scam. I can't believe people are paying to download the cheats lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluetiereign
    I have 6 different drives with 5 installs of XP (Multiboot Config) running on my machine....
    Just out of curiosity bro, what would a person need with five installs of XP for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charger
    Just out of curiosity bro, what would a person need with five installs of XP for?
    For the very reason I stated. Privacy, security and stability. If one crashes I still have a computer.

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