LRS'S NEW RULES

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 02:57 PM

There is a issue,

I am not going to give specifics, no need it letting those that dont know, the knowledge as to how to do it, but it does exist, and the c4get was the package that enabled it. That is all i will say.

in the mean time, there is a easy fix for it. reference the LORDS forums for the details and comments

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This is my thoughts on the problem and how the ~LRS~ intends to address it,

1) cant stop it, so why try
2) not going to go 8h , ever!!!!
3) reinstate handshake rule
4) problem solved for the ~LRS~ anyway

Its really a simple decision for me, after being a veteran of the game, since its inception, I have seen all that has attempted to soil the game, this problem isnt new, it is just reborn, so the quickest rememdy to it is to re-enact the "handshake" rule of play, outlined as follows,
There is a new vote on this subject, please all read and post your comments.
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After several years of peace in the servers, the "cheaters" have once again found a way to violate a game cherished amoung a minority as a favorite. While to the newbies, this might seem like a devistating event, actually it is not, for the OLDIES in the game, this has been around awhile, just wearing a different cloak, so till there is a resolution to it, the easiest way to protect against it is to go back to the "HAND SHAKE" of the old days. The ~LRS~ has reenacted this policy in all future matchs. For reference, this is the way it works.

Both teams enter the server.

when all players are in, ALL players meet at WP!, NO SHOOTING!
the "officer on deck" for both squads will test, one by one, each member of the opposing team, verifying 3h .
after this is completed, both teams return to base and game is restarted.
If at any point during the game, a players drops connection, for any reason, they are NOT allowed to reenter the game!!!!!!!!
Once the game is finished , the dropped player can rejoin and be retested.
The only exception to this rule is if there are more than one player drop from the server due to sys dump, or internet connection issues, at which time a game restart can be called for and a restart done.
While this might seem time consuming, it actually can be done in only a few minutes with all players complying to the rule.
Exception notes: as a LORDS member squad, and in action to our code of conduct, it is expected for all squads to either restart a game, or drop a player, if the opponent should lose one during a game, this is a gentlemans rule. and the squad with the most players has the choice of dropping one player, or restarting the game.

Untill such time as a fix has been verified for this bug, this will be the policy of the ~LRS~ and any squad wishing to match will be expected to comply, or the results will be considered a forfiet on their part.

Thank you for your time in this matter

SpikeMan~LRS~
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This is the official stance of the ~LRS~ from this day forth.

Spike
« Last Edit: Today at 1:46pm by Spikeman »

this is the current issue in the LORDS COUNCIL

**=AirAvenger=** · 02-04-2005, 04:08 PM

Well Spikeman can you e-mail me some specifics on how the C4GET package has enabled an issue? And also which package?
Avenger-HQ@sbcglobal.net

when all players are in, ALL players meet at WP!, NO SHOOTING!
the "officer on deck" for both squads will test, one by one, each member of the opposing team, verifying 3h .
after this is completed, both teams return to base and game is restarted.

go 8H and damage yourself b4 you get to the officer on deck.

Thanx,,,,,,,,,,,

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 04:14 PM

LMAO,
you didnt go to the lords forum did you?, I tried to condense the facts here.sorry

you obviously missed the part about "testing at a farp and the subject refarping before the test" to prevent the damage that might occure during travel time to the test spot, you will note, I never said anyone would intentially damage themselves before the test.

Hum......

I offer solutions, and yet some are defiant of my ideas,. I wonder why??????

Spike

Ps it is your creation, and a good one at that, your intentions were honerable, to say the least, I am not critisising you, nor your work, you did a great job and hats off to you, but, in truth, the truth must be said, I will not, nor choose to , delcare how to manipulate your program, what I will say, is "someone has", and that someone has shared it, Please do not misunderstand me, I think that EVERYTHING .... you have done has been to better the C4 community and enviroment, and it really pains me to give you this news, I HAVE NO DOUBT, it had noting to do with you, or you intentions, it was the cheaters and hackers, that were able to take your program and modify it to suit their needs. despite your efforts to make things cool, easy, and overall pleasing to the community, someone, somewhere, has been able to build on your creation, and turn it into a mutant that creates a 8h player.

Again, I will NOT give out the hows and whys, that would be stupid!!!!!

All I can say, is it is happening.

God Bless you Bro,

You created a great program for C4, and for the 90 percent of us, I thank you.

I am sure the other 10 percent thank you too, althoght, I doubt any of them will post that to you, lol

I have stated facts, AE, 8H auto, will not stop the 8h enemy, PERIOD!

this is one of those times that ALL must come together for the betterment of the whole, time will tell, I guess.

Spike

**Santa AkA SoDam** · 02-04-2005, 04:25 PM

Spike
I dont think AV's post is in defience, i think that he was mearly pointing out a way round the hand shake idea that thease cheaters could use!!

But a re-farp before the test does fix this!!

And really?? does the 8h AP in the host manager have a work around?? I played with it and tested it in my own server and it worked fine in fact i forgot to change myself back to 3h one time then went to a *CFS* server as 8h DOH!! and the 8h AP workad fine in boath cases lol

**=AirAvenger=** · 02-04-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by SpikeMan~LRS~

LMAO,
you obviously missed the part about "testing at a farp and the subject refarping before the test" to prevent the damage that might occure during travel time to the test spot, you will note, I never said anyone would intentianally damage themselves before the test.
Hum......
I offer solutions, and yet some are defiant of my ideas,. I wonder why??????
Spike

FYI I wasn't being defiant if you referring to me.

Originally Posted by SpikeMan~LRS~

The ~LRS~ has reenacted this policy in all future matchs. For reference, this is the way it works.

And i Guess I did miss that part because I don't even see the word farp in your post.

I saw your post at the LRS Forum.. Got it now.

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 04:34 PM

not this post,

I said I condensed it for this post,

dang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you guys are to fast on the forums for me,.

let me re-read and reply, ok

Spike

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 04:44 PM

This is my thoughts on the problem and how the ~LRS~ intends to address it,

1) cant stop it, so why try
2) not going to go 8h , ever!!!!
3) reinstate handshake rule
4) problem solved for the ~LRS~ anyway

Its really a simple decision for me, after being a veteran of the game, since its inception, I have seen all that has attempted to soil the game, this problem isnt new, it is just reborn, so the quickest rememdy to it is to re-enact the "handshake" rule of play, outlined as follows,
There is a new vote on this subject, please all read and post your comments.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
After several years of peace in the servers, the "cheaters" have once again found a way to violate a game cherished amoung a minority as a favorite. While to the newbies, this might seem like a devistating event, actually it is not, for the OLDIES in the game, this has been around awhile, just wearing a different cloak, so till there is a resolution to it, the easiest way to protect against it is to go back to the "HAND SHAKE" of the old days. The ~LRS~ has reenacted this policy in all future matchs. For reference, this is the way it works.

Both teams enter the server.

when all players are in, ALL players meet at WP!, NO SHOOTING!
the "officer on deck" for both squads will test, one by one, each member of the opposing team, verifying 3h .by this I mean, one by one, the opponent will take a farp and hover, while the "officer on deck" test them.
after this is completed, both teams return to base and game is restarted.
If at any point during the game, a players drops connection, for any reason, they are NOT allowed to reenter the game!!!!!!!!
Once the game is finished , the dropped player can rejoin and be retested.
The only exception to this rule is if there are more than one player drop from the server due to sys dump, or internet connection issues, at which time a game restart can be called for and a restart done.
While this might seem time consuming, it actually can be done in only a few minutes with all players complying to the rule.
Exception notes: as a LORDS member squad, and in action to our code of conduct, it is expected for all squads to either restart a game, or drop a player, if the opponent should lose one during a game, this is a gentlemans rule. and the squad with the most players has the choice of dropping one player, or restarting the game.

Untill such time as a fix has been verified for this bug, this will be the policy of the ~LRS~ and any squad wishing to match will be expected to comply, or the results will be considered a forfiet on their part.

Thank you for your time in this matter

SpikeMan~LRS~
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This is the official stance of the ~LRS~ from this day forth.

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 04:51 PM

it is a work in progress, trying to bring a quick resoluton to the problem at hand, I have modified it to fit your issue, and a very good one at that, hopefully with more imput like yours, we will have resolution to enact in a very short time.

Thank you for all you do.

Spike

W@tchtower*CFS* · 02-04-2005, 04:53 PM

First and foremost, what needs to be confirmed is if AE(autoexplode) and 8H-AP are both compromised. Each functions differently, and I request you Spikeman(or anybody with knowledge) get with Avenger, and test this "cheat" on a 8HAP server(the results to be posted here). There has been no confirmation that 8HAP has been bypassed, and again, if either of the C4GET programs(Player-Manager and Host-Manager) have been shown to enable one to fly 8H in a 3H server, then the only way to attempt to fix it is to know how the "cheat" works. Avenger needs the information if it is valid. The fact that you wont even attempt to HELP him with this issue, when you havent even run 8HAP on a server, brings more issues to the table than the cheat you mention.

And I do see your comment "and yet some are defiant of my ideas" as a direct attack on Avenger. You have no idea how much work and effort has been put into this by him. And to suggest that his "defiance" is anything but an honest attempt to keep 8H'rs out of the servers. Prove to him that you can bypass 8H-AP, help him to correct any security issues. You sure dont have any claims against him or CFS cheating, we've never won a match against LRS, your server or ours.

I look forward to hearing about your cooperation with Avenger to resolve this issue for the benefit of the community as a whole, not another "rule" or "regulation" dictated by you or the LRS /LORDS Police.

**Santa AkA SoDam** · 02-04-2005, 04:59 PM

Hey Spike
I have been reading through all thease posts on all the diffrent forums!! and its really bad news but i do have a question??

This person has got past the 8h blocker that "inso" made for us I wonder if its the same case for the 8H AP that Avenger made, as far as i understand it boath of thease programs work in diffrent ways!!

And if he gets past one he might not be able to get past the other, maby thats why he asked you and not any *CFS* for a test??

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 05:04 PM

Good God

I have done nothing but praise him and the CFS!!!

and you trash me, ????,. what the heck is that????

I Have stated concerns and personal test, letting everyone know there is a issue, and not ONCE has AIR Avenger contacted me, yet, I am the BAD guy, all of the sudden for letting you know there is a issue????

I have praised and honored the CFS for their efforts over and over again, and NOT ONCE has a CFS member ever emailed me or other means of communication to talk about things????,

and now you Diss me????

Fine, resolve this problem yourself, you started it anyway, and ...;lol, yes, I do know what started it, and how to fix it, but after your attitude, no reason, to tell you, is there.?????

Good Luck, and good riddance, it is people like you that make me believe

"life is like a bowl of cherries, eat the good 0nes, and spit out the bad"

all I did was try to point out a issue and help, if this is the thanks you offer for others to try to help, then i for one, do not need it, I will ablige your offer to post no more.

Spike

**SpikeMan~LRS~** · 02-04-2005, 05:10 PM

I dont have a bud...

But if it matters to you, avenger, gotta lov ya bro, you were never in the subject of the disussion, I think that it was used to try to create a dispute between the
LRS and CFS, if thats the case, and My oppinion of you is the issue, then I gotta say,"I Have so much respect for you", you really rock bro, keep up the good work!!!!

Avenger ROCKS, god bless Avenger!!!!

Hats off to you bro,

You ROCK!!!!

wish I knew half as much as you, you really are good at it.

Removed By Bluetiereign Watch Tower, ok???
LRS or LORDS Police????? God I hope you are not the diplomatic corespondent for the CFS!!!!LMAO!!!! at getting to befriend even your "FRIENDS", we dont have problems, well..... untill now!!!!!!
So I can honestly say, based on "watchtowers" actions that the LRS and CFS are no longer friends????, sorry to hear that. I thought we could work this out together, but now I guess airavenger will never know exatclty what happened, only that he created it. Good job Watch Tower, YEEHAAA Bro, you were always the smart one of the bunch to know who to piss off !!!!!!!

I hate to say this,

SO YOU WON'T SAY IT HERE... TAKE IT ELSEWHERE.

Spike

I never did anything to you either,~!!!!!!!!
you are reacting to heresay, be honest, you and I have never had problems

Spike

W@tchtower*CFS* · 02-04-2005, 05:31 PM

I have no problems with you Spike, or LRS, just to resolve the issue at hand...and if I took your reply to Avenger out of context, well my bad. It seems I wasnt the only one who read your post the same way? Lets fix the problem, not create more. I think CFS and LRS can have a great relationship, we dont always see eye to eye, but both have a love for this game like no other. Help him to resolve this, so we can all fly 3H and be happy.

Bite you? I'd rather hit you with a rack of stingers!!!!

**kill_me{FWD}** · 02-04-2005, 06:57 PM

eehem Avenger, it's not that im too impatient, but will there be a date of finish for the new prob?

getting serious now, i think all the major squads can trust each other and the trust will be only higher if both competing squads decide to handshake and the result of that handshake is, that there is no 8her on board.
to speak here for FWD, i do not see any necessary for handshaking any squad we usually play and played, but will any time agree to make handshakes at the begin of each game as it will confirm the trust between us and the other squad.

in the meantime everyone with further knowledge should feel highly encouraged to contact Avenger*CFS* ASAP and give him all the info he needs.
i assume Avenger to have no problems with email from people using an alias in this matter - just in case some do not want to let him know their name or so.

hope i offended no one here and everything was political correct, if not - well, im only a little foreigner, so please forgive me.