It is ashame

[DaBeast]

I have been playing but for a little while. I do have to say that the pilots in APS have taught me more about this game then anyone else has. I have been punted our of the LRS server. After complaining about poeple flying through mountains. Also someone shot me from under the water. I have watched pilots firing more then 28 stingers in thier server as well. Someone told me that is called the efam cheat, whatever that is. To watch as another person put down another because of a game is as insane as it gets. About APS starting stuff. Huh, I have watched as you people have disgraced yoursaelf talking crap about our XO TerrorX. He is a real nice guy, that speaks his mind honestly. Starting crap I think you people should seek help. This is a game. I have been asked to view some of these forums. Huh, You poeple are probably some of the sickest people I have seen. To get so involved in attacking each other over a discrepancy in a GAME. LOL!!!! Come on get real. A 16 year old young man has an excuse. but looking at some of your members listing The rest of you have no excuse. Walk outside and take a breath of fresh air. And ummm get a life. I spend 2 hours a week on this game and maybe 4 on another,,, I have been playing this game a short time,,, is easy you lift off the groung and kill your oponant. How much discussion does that take. LOL Challenging anyone should be handled through email with OhNo XO TerrorX. He wilkl set it up for ya. We have a very fast ver2 server and we run AE for matches. From what a friend of our squad says I would fly in an LRS server if you paid me, from what this friends says is that LRS runs that efam cheat on their servers. He knows for a fact,,, his initials are DF. So all this talk is cheap put your stinger where your mouth are in a fair server or shut up. This is a game, plain and simple. Shoot, Kill, Destroy, that simple. Heck I'll challenge you. WHIMP!!! hows that did that work for do I fit in now. LOL This is my only post... Not worth the time you guys are pathetic. GEt a LIFE!!! APS does start problem they finish them,,, We spend more time laughing then playing. LOL!!!! Have a good day.

[GriffonC4]

You APS pilots are ridiculous!!! You do not know when to stop!!! You think you guys are Angels or something. “we always help new pilots”, “I have been playing but for a little while. I do have to say that the pilots in APS have taught me more about this game then anyone else has.” Enough with blowing smoke up your own butts!!!
Now this DaBeast~APS~ pilot claims to have seen pilots shoot from underwater. Also DaBeast~APS~ claims to see pilots shoot more than 28 stingers. You are full of crap!!! No pilot can shoot from underwater, no pilot can shoot more than 28 stingers!!!!! You call it the EFAM bug, the EFAM does not allow anyone to shoot more than 28 stingers, get your facts straight before you start making these outrageous claims.
DaBeast said “APS starting stuff. Huh.” And also said “APS does start problem they finish them” Are you nuts?? Are you telling me that APS does not start stuff?? Here a few random quotes: Terror says: “AutoExplode is a cheat” ……….Oh No says “V2 is LAME” and “It’s a serious loss to C4” and then Animals latest post. Notice how these quotes come from APS pilots, and notice all these quotes are taking from “threat starter.” Please DeBeast, if you do not think APS is starting any of this, then maybe open your eyes and look who is starting these forum posts!!!!!
I will give some credit to OhNo, he has realized he made stupid remarks, at least his last post allows me to believe this, “I know I have done my wrong in the past, but hey who does not have a bad past.” I am starting to gain some respect for OhNo, takes a real man to admit he made mistakes.
My original post was there to inform the people who do not play C4, what the REAL situation is! It was also to point out that a few APS pilots are making rude and outrageous comments and lies.
Bottom line…………..Animal claims that pilots can force no counts one after another in version 2………….Terror was out of line saying AE is a cheat……..OhNo gives the impression that 2,3,4,5 points for 1 kill is the norm in version 2……….DaBeast claims to have witness pilots shooting more than 28 stingers
These are all outrageous lies, exaggerations, and disrespectful comments!!!
I am glad this is your last post DaBeast, I am glad OhNo and Terror retired from C4, now I just hope APS will stop making posts on the C4 forum.
I apologize to you Bluetiereign for writing this post, my intentions are not to stir up controversy, but when someone posts outrageous comments and lies, they need to be pointed out, otherwise people may start to believe them.
Somebody please lock this thread, there is nothing else to be said by anyone!

[WiperSix2004]

As to the original poster here: It's interesting, and unfortunate that you attribute all your failings to the LRS. The only other time I have seen your name was once when you came into our server and immediately started ranting about the LRS. A good solution might be for you to follow your own advice.
As to the second poster (whoever you are): Although the original comments ("v2 is a cheat") made by terror were incendiary, the recycled ones made by animal were simply his viewpoints on the matter, and after all, this is the place to express those views. Furthermore, the comments were made in a polite and matter of fact fashion, something quite the opposite of every single one of your posts. Your manners (rather, lack of them), as well as your comments are not only the exact reason why terrors posts were rebuked, but in conjunction with your unknown ailias reduce your credibility to approximately zero. Other than the above poster and his xo, APS has always been a great bunch of polite, friendly, and fun guys to fly with. Lambasting an entire squad (that you obviously don't even know) becasue of the comments of a couple of individuals is exactly what this small community of fliers does not need, and I state this solely with the hope that you will desist. APS finally has a server up, and if they want to run v1, well, that's their business. If someone could fix the nc thing in v1 we'd probably all still be flying it. As it stands, we fly what the general population wants, and most like v2, its that simple.

< still having fun, still playing 3 matches a week with the other guys that are having fun too (anyone who wants to join those ranks is welcome to email us and play too)

[GriffonC4]

I state things how they are. I am not here to be polite and make friends. I only state facts! I state things very bluntly!
Ok, I am not well known to the C4 community under this name, so if you want to assume my statements are not creditable, then please assume the following: No body plays in version 2 servers…..AE is a cheat……V2 is lame………APS never starts controversy………pilots can create no counts in version 2 one after another……it is normal to get 2-5 kills for 1 actual kill in version 2……pilots in LRS server can shoot more than 28 stingers……pilots in LRS server can shoot from underwater
Before you think I am not creditable, prove to me that my statements are not creditable.
Like I said before, I am not here to stir up controversy or pick a fight, I am here to state facts and imform everyone of the truth. I refuse to sit back and watch APS pilots publicly make comments that are NOT true!

[RED BARON]

Yes I will agree APS has helped some new players, But how many have they ruined after joining APS?
Your posts, comments, complaining and untrue statements, sound just like they are coming from GEN.TERRORX XO, He is the one that gave APS the REP it has.
Some things you need to ask him.
How many squads has he been booted out of?
How many squad forums has he been banned from.
How many squad web site"s is he banned from.
How many squads will not play APS becouse of him.
Who went to another squads web site making a post that one of the members Mother was a Wh---. ( not the SAI site )
And why he dislikes V2. so much, ( becouse his stuff that he has for v1.5 does not work in V2, what ever that means,
Lastly you do not get punted out of a server for nothing.

[WiperSix2004]

griffon - your comment "I'm not here to make friends" states the obvious. However, I would encourage you to rethink that philosophy from the ground up. It doesn't work in life or in internet gaming.
Most of the guys from aps (and the Lrs, and sai, and the other squads) have been playing at least a couple of years, and some since the game came out (which as I recall was 3 yrs and 4 mo's ago ?). Perhaps after you play a little more you will realize a couple of things: yes, people shoot from under water. yes, they fly through mountains. And yes, regardless of the version, sometimes the efam bug rears its ugly head (although I've been told that the last 12 missles are duds - don't know for sure). The old timers reading you and your detractor's posts didn't need to post here cause they all know that there are simple recurring reasons for these things: mostly latency (lag, overlaoded servers, dropped packets, take your pick). We have all seen these things. They happen on T3 servers, they happen on POS servers. Your visceral arguments revolving around these long standing issues are inane. Try making friends, you might end up having more fun.

[JJG43]

Personally speaking myself on this topic, I said it once to you know who in a public server," I won't accommodate the likes of
you".Still stand by it today as well.

Red Barons statement about " not waring because of" you know who, is a sentiment I feel as well.But only because of you know
who, the others on that sqad NP whats so ever

[W@tchtower*CFS*]

I have to laugh when I read DaBeasts post. I keep seeing posts from APS pilots geting punted from a map. Why is that? I've played this game for quite a while, I've never been booted from a game.Wonder why? You say in your post "the game is easy, you lift off the ground and kill your opponent. How much discussion does this take?". Well, it seems the discussions are being started by some APS pilots, in and out of the game. Why go into another server if all you are going to do is "take off and kill", then start bringing up issues that are going to get you booted? I am glad you joined the forum, I have waited a week to see if you would. Last week TerrorX posted in the forum that he was hosting"back to the basics" v1.5 no AE DM and TDM. I tend to surf the servers a bit, I learned on V1.5, dont mind it, and I dont mind V2.0. Just have to fly a little differently. I stopped in to the APS DM V1.5 server to play. i wasnt in their long untill a griff said sometihng about "no counts". I stated that V1.5 was running. You, daBeast, jumped in saying that yes, we do not cheat like ALL the other squads and do not run AE or V2, etc. I replied that I did not mind V1.5 and left it at that. But you kept on for the rest of the Map, bitching about Inso, AE, V2.and all the other "cheats" and cheat squads out there. I finished the map and went into another server. Now, I was in your server, flying my squads tag, and you state that ALL other squads are cheats. If you are calling my squad a cheat, then you are attacking me also, in an open server. That kind of conflicts with what you are stating above. With this type of attitude the only pilots flying in APS servers will be APS pilots!. If that is what you want, just password it so no one else will stop in. Save everybody else"just playing a game" the hassle. I did not post this incident in the forums like Animal did, I sent an email to TerrorX. (with no reply) I have respect for some the APS pilots that are out there, but I am finding that it is some APS pilots in the game and the forums that are stiring the fire.
This is TerrorX own words in his post " All C4 players are welcome. We ask that you follow our simple rules of behavior while in our servers."
How about APS pilots and THEIR behavior in other servers?

[W@tchtower*CFS*]

And to GriffonC4, whoever you are, it is a shame to hide behind an alias. Im sure Bluetiereign knows who you are from the IP address, and is getting a laugh from all of this. It takes a man to post and fly with his call sign and not an alias. It says two things: you are either trying to start trouble or you are hiding something.(or both). I leave it at that.

[GriffonC4]

Wiper, I think you need to reread the comments I posted. You are mixing them up. I said I am not here to make friends, in which I was referring to this fourm, not online gaming. I have played this game just as long as you have and have MANY friends in this game.
Quit worry about me, and just listen to the facts I presented. I said, “prove to me that my statements are not creditable” which you have failed to do.
Prove to me that AE is a cheat, Prove to me that pilots can create no counts one after another, prove to me that pilots are rarely in version 2 servers compared to version 1.5, prove to me that it is the norm to get 2,3,4,5 kills for 1 actual kill in version 2, prove to me that APS never starts controversy, Prove to me that pilots in LRS server can shoot more than 28 stingers.
Wiper, if you cannot directly prove my statements wrong, then I suggest there is no reason for you to post a thread here.

[GriffonC4]

Wiper and Watchtower – I do choose to remain anonymous for couple simple reasons. I am able to speak my mind and I do not have to worry about representing my squad by the comments I am making. I have the right to do this! And I do think Bluetieregin is laughing, Watchtower, but laughing at all of you b/c no one can prove my statements are wrong.
For the last time, do not worry about me or who I am, just listen to the facts I am presenting, if you cannot directly prove my that my comments are wrong, then you have no business responding here.

[Bluetiereign]

Yes, I know who both of them are ( DaBeast and GriffonC4).... One of them has gone so far as to email me and in a fit of anger - promised to no longer frequent CheckPointDelta and the forums. But they are here... posting again, I see.


To this person: Personally, I think you need help. You thrive on, and, I believe, are addicted to strife - and causing it. With just these two hints - I believe the COMMUNITY, not Bluetiereign - not LRS - could figure out to whom I refer.

I'm in no ones corner(s) here.... and I appreciate the peacemakers... but look at that first post and consider what follows as a consequence. You are falling victim to a trouble maker's ploy to cause a stir...

Just let it go... go lock up a server and play with your friends or go enjoy some TKOTH or something. Take care..

[W@tchtower*CFS*]

The light bulb just went on in my head. Makes sense now... I should have seen it a week ago. Thanks Bluetiereign

[HotShotFWP]

GriffonC4:

Hey man, I think Wiper was just appealing to you to just try to make an effort to befriend other pilots. I dont think he means to imply that youre flat out wrong in your stance about the comments made by the starter of this thread.

And hey, cheer up GriffonC4, I definitely see where youre coming from. I'll always fly with you if I see you around! But the same goes for the APS folk. If I see them around, I'll fly with them too. Cause I really like C4 and want to play all the good pilots, so I can get better LOL. I dont like controversy, though. At any rate, cheers all.

I have always been told that there are no cheats in C4, and I havent been convinced otherwise yet. I've seen some of the stuff like shooting from under water, flying at super duper speed, choppers that just sit and can't be blown up (not the LRS trick with flares), and other stuff, but these are explained away as bugs and they dont occur frequently. So, I say lets just play in the server you enjoy and stop making serious cries about NCs, AE, V2, and all the other stuff.

Hiya WatchTower:

I still dont know who you are yet, but I can respect that you dont want to reveal the name you used to fly under. I think your underlying reason is along the same concept for reason that GriffonC4 wants to remain anonymous. For some reason or another some dont want to be identified at times. I'm OK with that. If ever they want to reveal their identity, they will. It happens sometime in the servers.

To All:

Once in a SAI server, there was an inquisition for a certain pilots identity, after the pilot said he was in a squad, but didnt want to reveal who he was. The sever asked him to wear his tag.


I would like to munster sympathy for pilots who chose to be anonymous. C4 is a game open to the public. Let's not force pilots to fly by certain names, as long as the name used is not profane or reasonably offensive. I ask this because sometimes we have fun flying when we use different names. For instance, some pilots in the C4 Community have fun flying using Breakfast cereal names: ex. FruitLoops, Capt N Crunch! hehe

It's just that for some reason or another, sometimes a pilot may want to remain anonymous, and that's not offensive to me. Heck C4 is a game, not a political office, so let pilots use any name they choose, and let's continue to enjoy the gameplay!

I hope to see you all in the sky! and keep promoting C4! To me, it's one of the best games ever made, if not the best!

Sincerely, HotShotFWP

P.S. Where in the Heck is LMB, havent seen them around lately. or have I? This allias thing is turning into a trend LOL

[W@tchtower*CFS*]

Hey Hotshot,
In reference to your comment:

I still dont know who you are yet, but I can respect that you dont want to reveal the name you used to fly under

I have been flying under this call sign since I started C4 Multiplayer in Sept of '03. I have had this game since it came out, but just in the past 6 months have been in the multiplayer arena, and with CFS since December. I have not, and dont plan on using an alias. Sorry for the miscommunication. Always a pleasure to fly with you in the servers.