V2~Vs~V1.5 Where are the pilots hiding

[XO JESTER_DIE]

No don't kill it . i know nova has no support for c4. its not AE that we have the problems with and i think this is just a friendly discussion.( i hope anyway not like some of the other threads!!! wow flaming or what lol .)
You the man when it comes to the AE stuff!!

thats my rant lol

[OhNo]

Well here I go again, it was not my intent to offend anyone and maybe I used the wrong word " LAME " but I could not find a better word at the time. It is just very disstressing to me to go into a server and watch the pilots leave when I fly as OhNo. I just wanted to share 1 kill score 5 points, newbies will not stay with this problem, like was said about NCs. By far I'm not the best pilot out there. There is as much love in my heart for this game as the rest of you. You see me everynight flying the C4 skies it is just getting very hard for me to fly. With no one to fly with!!!! When everyone flew V1.5 I never had any trouble finding someone to fly with, it was like we want to kill that No_Counter now they don't stay to try and there are no NCs and that is what I thought everyone wanted so I adapted to V2, and I do help a lot of new pilots as Animal does and a few others. Want to find the real problems in C4 it is not AE it is Not V2 it is not V1.5. Go in a server and fly around like a Griffon I have first You are beat up on no one asks if you need help. Then if you ask questions it is go play single player till you learn how to fly, Change your name, how important is a name?......and the list goes on and on. Let them learn, help them. FLY AS A GRIFFON AND FIND OUT WHO IS REALLY HELPING C4 AND WHO IS NOT. That is real interesting,and you will see where the real problem lies.

INSO I never said anything about your AE program in fact I was one of the many who ask you to release it. As before I will thank you again for it. Hopfuly as a community we might be able to work this out. Please leave AE up and running as said before we need it.

Oh there is a slight problem with the AE don't know really what I did or how it happened and I never did or do I know how the efam bug is used or how you do it but I did at one point in a V2 AE drop my efams and I still had 28 stingers it has happened just a couple times to me.

What causes this....and can we fix it?



OhNo

[XO JESTER_DIE]

OK WHERES' MY CO REAPER HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN FOREVER!!!!!LOL.Just kidding with the caps. hey i'll flywith u anytime i c u in the servers but haven't played in a while .cya rotors up.

ps if the complaining is still coming @ least some r still flying lmfao!!!

[Reaper]

LOL always around bud. I fly in open servers about every other night now for a couple of hours. Doing maps for get ranked and spent some time getting the site up again. We will hook up on yahoo and play some BHD this week. And OHNO get in to the GET Ranked server. It's diff than before but you will have some fun and get a challenge bud.

[XO JESTER_DIE]

HI REAP!!!! I love the email notice of replies

[WiperSix2004]

please don't kill the ae inso, I think most of us are fully aware that ae has nothing to do with the multiple deaths in v2. My own take on it is that I have seen the multiple deaths at its worst when the 2 players engaging have vast difference in latency. I honestly think that this game can be fixed, and I don't think it would take a genius either, just someone with the technical expertise to change the subroutine where you die. Unfortunately, that person isn't me. However, this game still has awesome graphics and potential. When I watch my wife download games based on pong, and galaga, and pacman, and play them for hours before she goes to work, I realize that I enjoy what I enjoy - it doesn't have to be the latest greatest game either. And like most of you, I enjoy this game, and I love watching stuff blow up lol. So I will continue to make maps and fly in this game for a while. And if nova shuts down, we will find a way to bypass it (kali isnt the answer though, I think it sucks). As for playing. Ohno, and anyone else is welcome to join us at open practice every Thurs night at 9 pm EST. LRS is still playing 3 matches a week and has no intention of doing any less, so gear up and lets play guys ! Does the score really matter that much ? Its the cheating that sucks, the unlevel playing field. Other than the gun macro (which those that have it have pretty much agreed not to use in our server, which speaks highly of those fellas), I haven't seen hardly any cheating with the new v2, so my vote is still out on it, and I'm still having fun.

[W@tchtower*CFS*]

Roger that WiperSix, its all about having fun. Got to take the good with the bad, This game still rocks...

[Reaper]

Version 1.5 vs version 2 is a matter what tactics players prefer to play with. Both versions have what we all consider scoring problems. In versions 1.5 players are going to have a lot of no counts and the scoring demands players attack with splash damage in mind. Players can suicide and it wont cost them points. Players forcing no counts did stop many players from camping as much as they are doing in version 2 now. In version 2 you are going to lose points for aggressive strafing giving you error crash scores. There will be players receiving extra points for a single kill, suicide will cost you and players are going to use the fastest micros they can while firing many more stingers in a burst making for a more laggy game. The splash damage being scored does make for easier kills and a higher death rate. AE for version 2 was never going to fix C4. What it did do was just what it was meant to. It gave version 2 the same level field it did for version 1.5. And that is the most we could hope for. Thanks again Inso. So the question is where does c4 go from here ?. A few points first C4 still has great graphics as good as, or better than fair Strike even 2 years newer. The way you can maneuver in a game is outstanding, even in a laggy server you don't need to be a sim expert to play. Once you get past the players bickering what we have left now for the most part are dedicated players. Even at it's most popular point c4 never had near the number of players Novas Delta games did. Novas server Come and get it serves version 2 with out AE. It still has the most players using it. That tells me a lot of players want to play 8H any way. So the truth is both versions should be being played now. And maybe we should look at come and get it as an 8H server since there are servers running v2 with AE now and players still prefer a server where 8H can be used. This is not to insult players using come and get it I have been in there too over the last few weeks. But if players want to play a server where there is no ae maybe the community standard for those should be 8H.

[OhNo]

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unoyt
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My apologies there Oh-No.
Language barrier thing here for me. (90% french and 10% english)
I may have missinterprated what you were trying to say.
The C4 community is to small to start fighting.

Salutations

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Just so everone knows there are no hard feelings

OhNo

[Missile Bait]

Fellow pilots ...

I'm a relative newbie (3 months flying, working through single-player, enjoy flying coop with one friend and trying not to die too soon in DM games.)

Can someone either tell me (or point me to a specific forum/post/date) where I can figure out what all the acronyms stand for?

I've read this particular thread with interest (congrats to everyone on working through your frustration without shooting each others' tail rotors off), but it would really help (now and future) if I knew the meaning of these abbreviations:

8H
CI
NC
AE (which, if I understand correctly, is a server utility for fixing 8H, whatever that is ...)

There were others in this thread too, I'm afraid I didn't write them all down.

Thanks to all.

[W@tchtower*CFS*]

Here is some good reading, may answer your questions. Any others feel free to contact me.

http://webpages.charter.net/die/c4/c4

this thread above has some good C4 game info, hope it helps. Come visit us in the servers some time!


Watchtower *CFS*
www.c4cfs.com

[WiperSix2004]

CI connection interruption
NC no count
ae inso's utility called "autoexplode" cause the earlier versions
made you explode if you were 8h
8h a bug in the program whereby it takes 8 hits to kill you
(manipulation of the config), normal mode is 3 hits

that is a good link, there are more somewhere on this site too

[Missile Bait]

Thanks, guys. Very helpful.

[dirtydog]

The more they stay the same ...

Good to see things are status quo in C4 land..


Hey Inso..!!! Buddy!!! when you gonna come play some DC with us?

[HotShotFWP]

Hi Oh No and all you great C4 pilots:

I like Reaper's replies in this thread! I prefer v.2 to v.1.5. I think it depends on what tactics a pilot likes to use as Reaper has said. I just really think the forcing of NCs in v.1.5 is unfair. I know mostly Veteran pilots favor v.1.5 over v.2. My C.O. StingerFWP is one who likes v1.5 better from what I understand.

I have heard some say that there is no skill required to get kills in v2. I disagree with that. I dont like the term dumb lock either. In version 2, you can still use trees, hills, and building for cover and consealment, so that you can stay alive if a pilots shoots 28 stingers at you. I have seen pilots strafe so well, you can shoot 28 stingers at them and still not kill them, So to make an active lock (dumb lock) on a pilot doesnt garauntee a kill (as it seems to be suggested) even if one shoots 28 stingers. Also passive firing requires skill and passive can be used in version 2.

There are bugs in both servers. Oh No says he got 5 scores for 1 kill. That bug is not a frequent occurrence, however in version 1.5, I've experienced pilots forcing more than 5 NCs in consecutive games on a persistent basis. I think that's unfair, but I can deal with the random scoring bugs in v.2. I just feel if you cause a pilot to die, wether the cause is splash damage or not, you should get the score.

I would like to see C4 stay around, so I do help newbees out when I notice they need help. I just feel that the NC issue in V.1.5 will discourage newbees and have them give up on the game! However, if v 1.5 is the only option for gameplay, I'll be frequenting the v 1.5 servers hehe.

Of course all I have said is just my two cents. I just had to reply and say that I'm stiil around, and I wanted to express some of my views on some of the issues with C4 that some pilots have commented about in this thread.

I wish all you C4 pilots well, and look forward to the fun I have with you all in the Sky!

Sincerely, HotShotFWP