Forcing No Counts On Purpose Is A Cheat!!!

**~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX** · 12-03-2003, 01:10 PM

We are all human beings, we make mistakes. I lost my kool after a SON pilot continued to harrass me on YIM. My bad and no I am not the CO of APS I am only the XO. I don't handle harrassment as well as I used to ever since I left LRS. Since leaving LRS I have been harrassed by them in all sorts of ways. We also all know that when one of the LRS pilots post they are being fed their post thru Spikeman. No matter how much they deny it. I said what I said it may have been out of line or not. I appologize.

Sincerely,

~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX
Commanding Officer
Battlefield Wing
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**Inso «Ð*§*§»** · 12-03-2003, 02:06 PM

The Link

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Yea sorry guess it woulda helped if I had specified to which rumor I was refering lol

---bad inso----

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by Inso «Ð*§*§»]

**Bluetiereign** · 12-03-2003, 02:49 PM

This is the rumor to which Inso refers.

NovaWorld is shutting down the pointers for us to play in the central server at the beginning of the year. We still have Kali. Because of this C4 numbers will dewindle to a few pilots playing. Enjoy the game while it is here. Forget the rest of the BS. We have maybe a little over a month

As an Admin of CPD: If you do not have solid information, please to not post as if it is.

Secondly, TerrorX.

Now, as a person who plays C4 and 'does a little coding' - and not an 'Admin'....I have been around awhile and watched people come and go. I have seen people get 'hotheaded' over issues (me included). I have seen the steady pleas for scoring resolution from people like Viper. I have seen the faithfulness to the C4 community of ' The Sleepless One'... even in his apparent absence. I have watched the players over the years (thats right, years)... like jj43, unoyt, reaper, rantanplantan, straycat and wiper... just to name a few.

All of this to say... everytime I run into a 'dealing' with you... there is trouble. You are either posting your bans for things like 'cowardice under fire...' , chewing somebody for something... or apologizing for having done so. As a longstanding member of the C4 community - (not an outstanding one or an admin of a website) - I am asking you now -right here- to please... please... do the 'oldtimers' a favor and back off, sit down and be quiet ...jeez. Open discussion and debate on a subject in a forum is one thing - an outright fight at every turn is another.

I would go on to prove much of what you say is nonsense, but no amount of proof will convince you otherwise. Maybe another will take the time and effort to do so.

**RED BARON** · 12-03-2003, 03:13 PM

Hey GEN terror
AS long as you are in the appologizing mood, Heres a quote from your post on SON

But between SON, LRS, DSS, SAI and LAW you guys have screwed this game up for us all.

* ***** *** *** ****** *** **** ** *****> Have a nice day!!!!

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Edited and included:

Let's keep this thread unlocked and discuss no -counts.

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by Bluetiereign]

**unoyt** · 12-03-2003, 03:49 PM

Touché!!

**Str8_up** · 12-03-2003, 04:28 PM

ENUF....I"ll take care of it..any concerns....
I am the APS Peace Officer and Lt Gen.
please repy to me personally from this point to keep this from going any further and getting any larger.
Your assistance would be greatly appreciated in this matter....and I'm sure we will come to a resolution in concern to all these matters.. Regards, Str8up

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-03-2003, 04:31 PM

ok, I have completed a small study. I took error's posts, converted them to PST (his time), and sorted them using 24 hr time format. here is the results:

01:37 Your whining is the demise of C4. Waaaa!!!! All SON Pilots Chicken Farp
03:29 I suggest you and I go into a version 2 server so I can whoop your ass in there to shut ya'll up...Once you pull your head out of your ass, ...If I see you in C4 first I'll loan you some super glue to put your helo back together. After I shoot your a*s off.
09:33 I appologize for how I have been acting the past couple days
12:29 I appologize for being so angry sounding in my earlier post.
21:10 I appologize.
21:22 F*ck you and your b*tch A*s bunch of potheads
23:51 This is a F*cking game go back to the sandbox

Now, the data has a large statistical error because of the small sample size, but it apprears (so far) that the following results can be inferred:

(Edited)

Just a thought. lol

wiper

Edited and included:
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The squad Peace Officer and Lt Gen. has asked that issues with this squad member be discussed with him from this point. Let's talk no - counts please..

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by Bluetiereign]

**Str8_up** · 12-03-2003, 04:55 PM

Thanks Wiper....But this really isn't helping us to resolve this.
If you are interested in "Resolving" this matter....As you say you want it finished... Do as I said....Contact me..
Thanks again...and your 2 cents is appreciated, Str8up

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-03-2003, 05:36 PM

sorry str8, posted before your last post. You won't hear any more from me on this.
Just know this: based on history, he will be back at in in 3 or 4 weeks because (pick one):
A) he needs the attention
B) he got his period
C) the planets aligned
D) full moon
E) (whatever . . .)

ok, now I'm done hehe no more posts from me. I'll be my quiet happy self again.

Wiper

**Bluetiereign** · 12-03-2003, 06:42 PM

I've heard from the most knowledgeable source I can find concerning C4 that No Counts are most likely a combination of the following:

1. Rapid fire/flare Macros...and the severe strain on the server of the flood of the info .

2. The 'splash damage' calling for a death - but the vast amount of stingers at one time plowing into a flare or flares - not giving the count to the player causing the death.

3. Packet loss (online data loss) due to all of this info occuring at a much more rapid pace than was originally intended.

4. This fast paced death with the lack of time for the movement of the chopper... (in other words - such rapid firing and death means no time for the player to make a 'bad' move - that could offer a count.

5. The failure (or glitch) of the programming to give credit to player causing the splash damage.

IMHO... you can call it skill... you can call it a 'cheat'... but the counts have gotten much, much.....MUCH worse since the mass introduction and general community acceptance of firing/flaring macros - and is a direct result of the above. Sadly, you will, in the end, have to admit to yourselves... your skills as pilots are actually in no way measured by your ability to force these 'no counts'. That what you are doing is exploiting a weakness aggravated and provided by rapid firing\flaring on the server...and the lack of C4's v.15 not giving the provider of splash damage credit.

That is only my opinion. But after quite a bit of playing - and having played in the 'age' when - you killed <=> it counted - I believe it to be true.

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-03-2003, 07:09 PM

blue, I think some of that may be true. The thing is, I don't flare (except for the auto flares) at all. Other than repeating 2 at a time, I dont rapid fire. by the time I die , I'm out by 1 or 2 seconds anyway. Yet sometimes I get uncounted a lot. My thinking is that its simply a flaw in the program, especially since with the increased conn speeds more info really is getting to the servers. Of course, I really have nothing to justify that, just what I believe based on my own play.

wiper

**Bluetiereign** · 12-03-2003, 07:31 PM

You may not be pumping those stingers\flares, but someone else on the server may...thereby flooding the server with too much info. Good conn or no... that flood of info has to be processed and then sent out.. The program itself has not changed - the number of no counts has...dramatically.

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-03-2003, 07:41 PM

ok, let me give you an example. my squad was playing 2 on 2 a few weeks ago. nobody's ping was over 100. nobody was flaring. all 4 of us have cable or dsl. half of the game was no counts.

dont get me wrong, I'm not disputing what you say, and I agree 100% that it has gotten a little crazy. maybe some of us can get together and do some tests and see what can fix it ? I've heard that autoflaring can be turned off, but I don't know how.

anyway, food for thought

Wiper

**Bluetiereign** · 12-03-2003, 07:47 PM

Are you saying that no one... and I mean no one... was using a rapid fire macros (not flares) ?

Also, you've brought to table.. the cable issue... NOT a reliably steady flow of data there...