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[EscapedTurkey]

It's better to go 100% private.

http://www.escapedturkey.com/~c4guide/forums/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2

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[Edited on 3-29-2003 by EscapedTurkey]

[XO JESTER_DIE]

THIS VERSION ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE THE NEW ANTI-SELF KILL
THIS VERSION ROCKS
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[Reaper]

I helped test the server, I found that auto explode does not work. As wild and I both came in 8H. While he had auto running, The scoring is better, The cause and effect seems more fair. The fix suicide
does work, Pilots will need to adust how they fly to it such as staying clear of cover or the ground when you take stingers, or you may lose a point even though you dont suicide. Over all I thought the upgrade an inprovment. But as with any change it will take time to get used to it.

[Rantanplan]

Playing 3H gives the skillful pilot the chance to get several kills for each missile load and the game is about skill: get as many kills as you can and then reload to get more kills.

With everybody playing 8H the following happens:
- it takes more stingers to get a kill so there are very few stingers for the second opponent - the best pilots will get less kills;
- as it takes longer for the opponent to die, he/she can still shoot back and kill you - meaning that not so good pilots will kill better pilots just because they can shoot back before dying;
- as it takes longer to kill the first opponent and turn to the second, most times you won't have time to get that second kill.

Because of the above, the game will turn from a game of skill against skill to "shoot as many missiles as you can so you get a kill before you die".

Please, do not encourage people to fly 8H. Leave 8H as an edge to newbies, while they learn how to play the game.
If you have a problem with some skillful pilots flying 8H, just don't fly with them. The community needs to build a sense of fair play and trust. All flying 8H to "end the 3h vs 8h arguments" will do the opposite.

[Reaper]

It would have been nice had nova addressed the easy setting for co op game hosting so the setting would not stay in other muliplayer games. 8H is not a default setting to play out side co ops. But were stuck with it, Auto wont run on the verson, And Inso doesn't want it being used any more anyway, This doest have to split the communiy. There is room for both, If you wanna fly 3H. Fly in privite servers pass worded, There you can fly any way you want. or fly open servers were you know there will be 8H players. But if you do remember the words and accusations are as bad as an un even playing field. Just my 2 cents

[StrayCat]

With EFAMS disabled, you can only load 12, and if it takes 8 to kill, thats only one kill to each load. ( BTW, good pilots can avoid 12 coming at them, hell, the great pilots can avoid 28!!! ) So I guess what I would like to know is , how do you see this as more exciting, and a faster pace? It seems to me, that most time will be spent flying to FARPs to reload, not fighting.
Rantanplan's post is dead on...

[Rantanplan]

- 3 pilots, all with some experience but one clearly better than any of the other 2;
- TDM server, stingers, auto-lock on, no EFAMS;
- the best pilot against the other 2, all playing 8H.

Result: the best pilot doesn't stand a chance!
The other 2 just need to stay together as, even if one of them gets killed, the other will have absolutely no difficulty killing the opponent. And, if they fly really high, the other guy will waste the missiles, as 12 stingers aren't enough to kill a high flyer, and they won't even have to sacrifice any of them.

8H and no EFAMS is a deniel of the value of skill. If you face more than one opponent, you are dead.

I remember one time I got 5 kills (4 opponents camping on a pocket of the terrain near to their base and 1 more respawing) before having to reload and come back to the fight. Now? I would be lucky to stay alive after engaging 2 opponents, no matter how less experienced/skilled they are.

EscapedTurkey is right on one thing: it is a choice. Pilots don't have to join his server.
But, encouraging 8H will make more people, particularly newbies, to play 8H, even on the other servers. Those who prefer a more dinamic game, where skill really makes a difference, will be "forced" to start playing 8H too. Or will do what many of the best pilots are doing: look for something else to play.

On the Comanche 4 history of bad ideas, where the "coalition" clearly had the first place, encourage 8H and no EFAMS is trying hard for the gold.

[Prowler]

[Edited on 3-29-2003 by Prowler]

[StrayCat]

That being said, I see no need to further explain our desire to set-up "our servers" the way we wish to run them with our funds.

I wasn't trying to tell you anything Escaped Turkey, you do as you please with your servers. Thats what makes this country of ours so great, its all the choices we can make. I dont believe I made mention of what YOU should do. As a matter of fact, I asked you a question, "how do you see this as more exciting", as you claim in your website? I was simply stating my opinion, and I thought thats what these forums were all about. People discussing issues, ......I dont want to debate or argue with you.
And


Peace, Love and groovy colors...

SO true PROWLER ........ ;)

[Rantanplan]

Prowler, I already said it is a choice. No-one is forced to play on your server. I replied to the encouragement of 8H (and the bad it is doing to the game) and the absurd statement (IMO) that 8H and no-EFAMS makes the game more exciting and/or fair. The game is not more fair if the best pilots are limited on their choices so that their skill makes less of a difference.

200 pilots is most likely more than the total number of pilots playing C4 online regularly. Even if there are more than 200 C4 pilots, they all trying your server means nothing as there are very few servers, veery few pilots playing online at any given time so, naturarly, everyone is bound to try each server.
But you said it yourself: "(2 complained)Other than that, the rest that have joined my V2 server do one of two things. They either leave and go to another server if they have a problem with 8H or no EFAMs, or they stay and try the game on a 100% level playing field."
So, those who vocaly complain don't approve your server but those that don't say a word and leave are counted as approvals? You should count again.

[Prowler]

[Edited on 3-29-2003 by Prowler]

[Rantanplan]

Prowler, before saying that I "adamently opposed AE and Inso's ideas" or that "now" I am "totally against 8H", get your facts straight. Unless these lies were deliberate.

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[Added after Prowler and EscapedTurkey removed their comments]

We all can understand that you (Prowler and EscapedTurkey) didn't like the way this conversation was going. On my last reply to Prowler, I used a strong word and I can understand that you didn't like it.
But this is/was a conversation that you could end at any time only not removing your messages. That was rude because anyone that visits this thread won't see your messages but will see the other people's replies. Without the context, these other replies won't be understood.

For the record, Prowler, you said referring to me:
"you adamently opposed AE and Inso's ideas"
That is not true. I always said that AE fullfilled it's purpose, that it was a great idea (because there were people playing C4 that would cheat on matches otherwise) and always supported Inso. And I also said that, with time, we learned that, as newbies didn't know what was happening when, playing 8H, they joined servers with AE running, that could be pushing some of them away and also agreed that AE should be rethinked.
Just read what Inso himself wrote about the new version of AE that he was developing.

"now you are totally against 8H"
Also untrue. When everybody was using AE, I defended that 8H - although it was a bug, could be used as a feature to give an edge to newbies so they survived long enough to learn how to play the game. I still defend that, as anyone can read on my latest posts.
What I'm against is the idea that, because AE doesn't work on the new version of C4, 8H should be encouraged for every pilot.


[Edited on 29-3-2003 by Rantanplan]

[Reaper]

Here we go lol:ar15: