Viper has been BAN

[viper9]

Thats right fellows,i have been banned from cfs server for the second time ...The first time i was banned cuz Rotor6 said i was lagging up the server because i was on 56k.
Now iam banned cuz iam on DSL?
ok lets be honest ,its because i out fly him when he comes in any server.if he had his way i would not be able to play at all seems to me .only because i win when i play him .he thinks i cheat,he has no proof of this ,cuz there is none i dont cheat ,iam just a better pilot than he is .Its a shame when the leader of CFS squad gets his panties in a wad when he is not winning every time.and that is just what is happening.you guy have known me some for over 8 years now and you know i dont cheat. as a c4 community dont you think this is going a little to far. banning me !do you really thing the people of this community will stand behine you on this decision? do the people of the c4 community think this is a fair and just reason to have me banned?

ALso there are new players entering the c4 game now,because of it being on Steam. now cfs server you cant come in if you are a Griffin.Now its there server they can do what ever they want .but does the c4 community think this is a good practise? i mean some of the noobs dont even know how to pick up there landing gear,how are they supposed to know to change there name?,,may be as a c4 community we should have a word with Nova and see if we cant get there whole server taken off if they are going to be this type of squad.now this has no reflection on the other members on the CFS squad ,this seems to be a personal matter between me and Rotor6,but he is the one making it personal.Not me.may be it would be a good idea if some of the members of cfs have a talk with Rotor6 and see what this is really all about...and when ya find out let me know.

Viper

[Ken8254]

Thats right fellows,i have been banned from cfs server for the second time ...The first time i was banned cuz Rotor6 said i was lagging up the server because i was on 56k.
Now iam banned cuz iam on DSL?
ok lets be honest ,its because i out fly him when he comes in any server.if he had his way i would not be able to play at all seems to me .only because i win when i play him .he thinks i cheat,he has no proof of this ,cuz there is none i dont cheat ,iam just a better pilot than he is .Its a shame when the leader of CFS squad gets his panties in a wad when he is not winning every time.and that is just what is happening.you guy have known me some for over 8 years now and you know i dont cheat. as a c4 community dont you think this is going a little to far. banning me !do you really thing the people of this community will stand behine you on this decision? do the people of the c4 community think this is a fair and just reason to have me banned?

ALso there are new players entering the c4 game now,because of it being on Steam. now cfs server you cant come in if you are a Griffin.Now its there server they can do what ever they want .but does the c4 community think this is a good practise? i mean some of the noobs dont even know how to pick up there landing gear,how are they supposed to know to change there name?,,may be as a c4 community we should have a word with Nova and see if we cant get there whole server taken off if they are going to be this type of squad.now this has no reflection on the other members on the CFS squad ,this seems to be a personal matter between me and Rotor6,but he is the one making it personal.Not me.may be it would be a good idea if some of the members of cfs have a talk with Rotor6 and see what this is really all about...and when ya find out let me know.

Viper


Mike,

I agree with you on the "new bee" issue. If we want to increase the ranks of the c-4 community it makes sense to open the servers to the griffins and teach them the rudaments of the game.

My hat is off to all the old players who helped me to learn the game. I appreciate them so much. This game is packed with good old fun. I do hope we can cool the hot heads and just enjoy the game. I want it to continue...lets make it fun for everyone!

Ken

[wildman2]

Isn't the griffen name thing a problem with the steam download.Thought I read here somewhere there is a fix for it.
http://www.checkpointdelta.net/showthread.php?threadid=4856

[Bluetiereign]

Ken8254 and viper9,

Listen guys. Here is the thing. These forums have been here for years. Over the years, we have fussed and fought about issues like this. Long ago, we decided NOT to discuss particular names or squad names. The people on these forums have done a great job in sticking to that agreement.

Now...you could have come in here and simply said, that you disagree with Rotor's stance - and your reasons for thinking so are blah, blah, blah, blah.... We would never have known it was you flying - or not flying - with the cheats, and that would have been that. That is NOT what has happened.

You have come in with a direct attack of the member of a squad and the squad's server. Even worse, you are attempting to undermine his leadership by circumventing him and asking the squad to pressure him to let you in. So..

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Strike One: You called Rotor6 by name.

Strike Two: You are naming the Squad you have a problem with.

And the last swing was a foul... so it doesn't really count: This kind of attack just gets on my nerves

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Here is the bottom line.. Rotor mentioned NO names. Rotor mentioned NO squad name. Rotor (and his squad) have a PRIVATE server. They can allow or ban anyone they want. It is that simple. I am sorry he doesn't trust you and/or your squad.

Now, either figure out a way to argue your point without player and squad names or don't argue your point here. If you cannot discuss the issuses without making it personal, we have a PM feature - but I would suggest emails or discussing it on TS.

Thanks.

[MaddWolf]

Thats right fellows,i have been banned from cfs server for the second time ...The first time i was banned cuz Rotor6 said i was lagging up the server because i was on 56k.
Now iam banned cuz iam on DSL?
ok lets be honest ,its because i out fly him when he comes in any server.if he had his way i would not be able to play at all seems to me .only because i win when i play him .he thinks i cheat,he has no proof of this ,cuz there is none i dont cheat ,iam just a better pilot than he is .
Viper

I hope that everything works out for you sir.



Mike,

I agree with you on the "new bee" issue. If we want to increase the ranks of the c-4 community it makes sense to open the servers to the griffins and teach them the rudaments of the game.

My hat is off to all the old players who helped me to learn the game. I appreciate them so much. This game is packed with good old fun. I do hope we can cool the hot heads and just enjoy the game. I want it to continue...lets make it fun for everyone!

Ken

I Agree with you as well Mr.Ken. My hat goes off to ALL of you guys who helped me to learn the game and are Still helping me.

If we could do the same to the new pilots that come into the game by, 1st letting them into all the servers and 2nd show them the ways of the game. From what i see here there are more than enough teachers here with 8 years of Exp to do so. So that C4 continues to be alive and fun for everyone.


Isn't the griffen name thing a problem with the steam download.Thought I read here somewhere there is a fix for it.


Wildman, the problem with the Steam version of the game is that your name or any name that you apply does NOT show up in the Multiplayer mode. So you will have a Blank space where your name should be and the fix allows for your name to show up even if you have Griffin as your name.




...and now for my other... 2 cents,
Beggars cant be choosers...why do i say that?.. cause from what i see we are practically begging Nova for a new game and or an update for this one. How are going to get Nova to take us seriously if there are only a hand full of people playing the game. If we keep choosing who to let or NOT let in into the game servers YES, i know its the owners servers and they can do whatever they want, but if the goal is to grow as both a community and a squad then maybe its time for a change a give New people the chance to start some where.

People, especially the new ones will NOT come back to the game out of fustration because, if they come into the server lobby at the right time or the time that they CAN play, to find the few 5 or 10 people that play at that time, they will not be able to come into that server because of the Griffin, No Name, Wolfblitz Name bans.

Most if not all of them (like me) have and will buy the game from Steam and will have the NO Name issue come up and they will have no idea whats going on, or what to do to fix. As they dont know that this message board even exsists. How are we going to help let alone grow as a community if we turn our backs on them.

Word travels fast...those same new players that bought C4 on Steam have friends on their List that see them playing C4 and they will get asked: "C4 huh?..How is it?...and how much is it?" and if they had a bad experiance with it they will just say, "yeah, its ok, but online sucks cause i cant get into the severs with the few that play it,....$9.99"..... I would know, i was asked by my friends on my Steam lists about C4 and gave them a Demo of it in hopes that they will join us. :smilegrin:

Im sure Nova is scanning and reading our posts if they see only a hand full of people, even with a petition they (Especially in these times with the economy) are not going to risk spending money to make a new game only to get a 3rd of it back from a few loyal players that are hindering the would be profit, because of Bans on the few servers that are around NOW and also because of Petty differences that may turn away potential new buyers and the new players that know them.

- JMO not pointing the finger at anyone here

Guess my 2 cents was more like 2 dollars :old:



laterz

-Wolf

[HotShotFWP]

There are a few points I would like to address concerning server bans.

1) It's not the best thing to do, when a server bans players from coming in if the name Griffon is used. These are new players who don't know any better. I plead with the servers to allow these new players to come into the servers. We can let them know to change their name once they come in. I think banning or not allowing these new players into the server is unproductive, as it really is an insult to my common sense. I mean how will they know the name is not tollerated, if they can't even get into a server and someone can tell them about it.

2) It is known by players in the C4 community that some oldtime players have been banned from a certain server. These are players some of us have played with for years, and as a matter of fact, I see no ligitimate reason why two of such banned players have been banned. To my knowledge there has been no reason given why these players have been banned. These are esteemed fair playing gamers by a good number of players in the C4 community. For this reason, banning these players is not good for the happy gaming life of the C4 community, and such unexplained banning can result in counter actions being taken against such ill will being displayed.

For example, I know of a few servers who want to ban members of a certain squad because this squad's server has banned, without explanation, respected members of at least two squads. All this banning will be even more unproductive for the happy gaming we used to experience among all squadron members in the C4 community. There will be a limited number of servers players can be permitted to play in, in an already shrinking C4 community.

Come on folks. Let's extend our longsuffering and tolerance a bit more. What happened to having a discussion among the C4 community about certain matters such as how the community thinks about banning a player from a server. It may be the Prerogative of a server to ban whoever it will, but this stuff is hurting the happy gaming of the C4 community.

Let's talk to each other guys? This is something we need to work out, in my humble opinion.

3) Let's not only think about ourselves, but lets think about what's best to do so the C4 community can thrive and be a happy place to be, like in the early years of C4?

[Santa AkA SoDam]

OMG some things don’t change lol

I would like to get the low down from my 2-team members viper/ken before I can make a post proving/or not their innocence.

However, some things you might not know about my team members that I feel I need to share with you.

(In real life) Ken is a preacher, he is about double my age (I’m really young BTW) I know he wont cheat on anyone, even if he is offered a hacked file because Ken has morals and he knows that any form of cheating is wrong!!

Viper is not a hacker; his computer knowledge is such that he cannot even make a profile for his JS, if I remember rightly, BS or a very well respected player from another squad gave up trying to show him how to make a profile for his JS.

Viper and (BS) have the same JS’s so (BS) ended up giving viper his own profile and no doubt his C4 config file and players sav.bak file to make the profile work.

I cannot vouch for the originality of these files but I am more than sure BS would have not have hacked them in anyway at all.

In the meantime vip if you want to prove your innocence you can do by going to your C4 folder, hover your mouse over the C4.exe file, do a right click and select properties, then tell us what it says next to where it says location. does it look like this?
C:\Program Files\NovaLogic\Comanche 4

R6 i will have a leap of faith about IV3, if you can do the same for me.. That should say volumes to you!!

[Reaper]

The reason many servers have banned griffin call sign is because it was a common tactic for trouble makers to use that call sign to act like ass hats or cheat in the server. Then change back to the common call sign other players know them by to play straight.

When a squad or any player runs the server they have the right to ban, punt or make any rule they want to.

If other players do not like it they have the rite not to play in that server and put up a server of their own.

LOL Blue is getting soft in his old age, I came in late and was going to lock this thread and move it out of the public threads. But he already addressed the naming players, squads issue.

[viper9]

this is what mine say C:\Program Files (x86)\NovaLogic\Comanche 4

[Bluetiereign]

LOL Blue is getting soft in his old age

Thank you Reaper... I'll take that as a compliment. Paul used to get so mad at me and my moving threads and making threats to ban...etc... lol.

I do want some discussion on this - and I think the only way is to keep cool heads and leave the names and squads out of it.

Discuss the issues.

:yes:

[Santa AkA SoDam]

I have had a chat on TS with the guys to get the low down on what happened.

Unfortunately, the server did not carry a warning on the server page

The server was Dad’s 2/7RCAF and called “The lab rat”

The server was purely under test to research the affects of new weapons that was mentioned via the 8h AP messages at the time of the test.

This whole exercise was just a test

Dad in the future will run the server during the week as a normal server!!!!!!!!

At the weekends, he will put on a password on the server and run the server under “weapons test”, that password will be displayed to all during the week.

The password will be “risk”

I want to extend personal apologies to R6 who I’m sure was caught of guard at the time.

Ken’s main concern was the lack of respect shown for him and his fellow teammates especially by such a respected player.

I’m sure this miss understanding can be worked out!!

[Rotor6]

What part of this corrects the issue? What part of this says U will not run this server? What part of this says your team respects the will of the community and will not run the things allowed in the last server? or in ours..?
You have done nothing, but tell us you wont allow them during the week. That Sir, is a shame.... and an admission that you allow them, and that it was your team's server, you blamed me... for calling out to begin with....

[GarretJax]

:wow:......I like the way things are going in this thread.....everyones gettin there 2 cents in and it looks like there could be some compromise here soon....

Come on dudes lets give peace a chance....theres not a pilot Ive met "in any server" that I wouldnt sit down and have a beer with:biere.gif:

C4 rules!! :cool097.gif:

[Bluetiereign]

new weapons....mentioned via the 8h AP messages ?Anybody care to enlighten an old man about what this is ? If it would be publicizing the cheats to tell me here - send me a PM.

[Knuckles]

Blue, the 8H-AP was spamming a message saying sidewinders & 30MM cannons were allowed.

This takes me back to a little more than a year ago. There was a certain team that was accusing me of cheating, I sent them screen shots, even created a youtube video of myself slaughtering them. Then one day I while said team was blasting me thru the fog, and I simply asked for a s/s.... LOL Needless to say, the s/s never arrived. So I set out to make it a point to kill them at every oppertunity I could. When I caught them hiding behind an alias using 500 stingers, I kept fighting until I was beating them. Their cheating is what made me better pilot, and eventully those cheaters left C4 for another game.

I like Ken and know also that he would not use those weapons unless it was a mod that was offered and excepted within the community.

So Dam, dont forget what can be added at the end of the Target when opening the Properties of your shortcut. Its very simple, and another thread is active discussing it so I'm not going to go into that here.

Viper, If you have nothing to hide, take screen shots when you are accused. It only takes a second. Or use FRAPs to make a quick video of yourself killing your accuser. Its free, fun, and easy.

It may sound sound like "guilty untill proven innocent", but with a game this old, that has been hacked, modded, and butchered, we are left with very few choices.

[Santa AkA SoDam]

What part of this corrects the issue? What part of this says U will not run this server? What part of this says your team respects the will of the community and will not run the things allowed in the last server? or in ours..?
You have done nothing, but tell us you wont allow them during the week. That Sir, is a shame.... and an admission that you allow them, and that it was your team's server, you blamed me... for calling out to begin with....

I have had a very busy weekend, but now I can get round to answering your questions.

1, I will never allow the use of cheats in a match.
2, I will never allow the use of cheats in a normal game including any other server.
3, The squad –RCS- respects the will of the wider community.

4, it is a well-known fact that cheats and hacks are a part of C4 and unfortunately, this won’t change.

5, so with that in mind, what we are doing is actually taking the cheaters/hackers away from the normal servers.
So all can enjoy C4 again.

Normal players (who do not know the password) will not be allowed to play in this “weapons test” server.

Only people who want to show off their hacks and cheats (and who know the password) will be allowed to play in this server.

So, enter this server at your own risk (that’s why the password is “risk”)

Under no circumstances do I personally condone the use of hacks and cheats!!

However, providing a place where the hackers/cheaters can go, actually gives the rest of C4 a welcome break from them.

This is an initiative that I wish was thought of sooner.

I realize that -RCS- are running a huge risk and can be labled as cheaters or heros, but if it helps keep the cheater/hackers away from normal C4 servers, then it's a price worth paying!!

[MasterX(BKC)]

Not to attack anyone but a point i find going unsaid is this.

fine and dandy to have a server for the hackers, but quickly that server will populate more often than the rest, and it will pull in other players which would join other servers otherwise, so they will have to coordinate to join a different server or just join the one where everyone else happens to be. and as much as i wish it were not the case, the hack server will be most likely to have players most of the time.....

thats the most probable outcome i see for this!

and as far as people who like to cheat, if they do it in one server, they will do it in any server. it was only about 4 years ago i lived this tale. trust me ive been down this road.

[DAD]

Not to attack anyone but a point i find going unsaid is this.

fine and dandy to have a server for the hackers, but quickly that server will populate more often than the rest, and it will pull in other players which would join other servers otherwise, so they will have to coordinate to join a different server or just join the one where everyone else happens to be. and as much as i wish it were not the case, the hack server will be most likely to have players most of the time.....

thats the most probable outcome i see for this!

and as far as people who like to cheat, if they do it in one server, they will do it in any server. it was only about 4 years ago i lived this tale. trust me ive been down this road.

All I em asking is a leap of faith.:znaika.gif:

[Knuckles]

I'd listen to the vets on this one Dad and either let it go, or keep the server lock and never speak of it publicly again.

***EDIT***
Or another thought whould be to place a poll here... (already done)
And see if the community is ready for a C4 weapons mod such as the BHD Terra-Nova Mod (I think thats the name) that gave you a couple of new weapons.

Also you guys that run servers can very easily Nerf those hacked weapons. (PM me for details).

[MasterX(BKC)]

You can block my 500 and 56 Stingers hacks as well as 30mm, and 50cal hacks by turning off GUNS and Hydras in the server settings. Turning off 1 or the other is pointless, both and you stop 99% of them!

Thats the only sure fire way of killing it!

I would gladly give up the gun battles for clean play!

and BTW i witnessed the 30mm exe hack from a player just last night. not naming any names.

The person is on these forums, i made this stuff, you cannot fool me:ninja:

EDIT:
To clarify, it isnt anyone on this thread.

[DAD]

I understand of the Griffon being used from the past,But there has been no answer towards why the person that this thread is about why is he banned and is he still banned?.....why?.:joystick.gif:

[Rotor6]

OK... Enough of this. You want the story.. here it is.. and I have the emails to back it up.

He was originally banned because he was on DIAL UP and was laggin our server down so badly it was disrupting game play. No other reason...
I told him that I would allow him back, when he got DSL or cable. When He did, he was re-admitted.

Then he was called about his long range "seeing" abilities, so I sent this mail to one of his mates; "I am about to ban your son again... What ever he's running he needs to quit. Two fog maps and he's shooting us from another zip code. I called him on it and got no response. If I catch him shooting long in the fog, I'll ban his butt again! TD is a HACK and so is NOFOG.. and he knows that.

The reply was this: "He knew how everyone felt about using TD back in the CON days when SAI let it out. If thats what he's doing, then bann his ass."

Our Team pays for this server, it is a commercial server, and no one has a right to get in it, but our members.. if that's the decision.

His mouth.. is his mouth; believe what you will. But he will stay banned until he starts playing without his mouth and without TD or whatever he's got. It's bad when even the Italian calls him a cheat.

I could care less about his statements, what he has to say, or his supposed flying abilities.

The ban stays.

[Bluetiereign]

Sounds pretty clear to me. Fog maps - and someone using passive ? Nah, I don't think so. Sorry. I think I've heard enough.

Besides, as Rotor has restated - it is a Team server, they don't have to let anyone play.

[DAD]

Ok thank you thats all I needed too know as I wasn't around in earlier days of C4 and I thought that we might have lost reason for this post being posted.Thank you for your reply...

[viper9]

OK... Enough of this . You want the story.. here it is.. and I have the emails to back it up.

He was originally banned because he was on DIAL UP and was laggin our server down so badly it was disrupting game play. No other reason...
I told him that I would allow him back, when he got DSL or cable. When He did, he was re-admitted.

Then he was called about his long range "seeing" abilities, so I sent this mail to one of his mates; "I am about to ban your son again... What ever he's running he needs to quit. Two fog maps and he's shooting us from another zip code. I called him on it and got no response. If I catch him shooting long in the fog, I'll ban his butt again! TD is a HACK and so is NOFOG.. and he knows that.

The reply was this: "He knew how everyone felt about using TD back in the CON days when SAI let it out. If thats what he's doing, then bann his butt."

Our Team pays for this server, it is a commercial server, and no one has a right to get in it, but our members.. if that's the decision.

His mouth.. is his mouth; believe what you will. But he will stay banned until he starts playing without his mouth and without TD or whatever he's got. It's bad when even the Italian calls him a cheat.

I could care less about his statements, what he has to say, or his supposed flying abilities.

The ban stays.

Well here we go again …. for 1 Thing I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO ANY FILE CHANGING IN C4 …in all the Squads that I’ve been part of, my C.Os knew that I NEVER used Hacks/Cheats.

Now just yesterday there was someone asking me to try out one of them new so called “MODS” and I Said “NO, MY C4 FILES ARE RIGHT OFF THE DISK AND NOTHING ELSE AND THAT’S WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO STAY”

Now as far as you saying that I was shooting YOU from long distance because I was using TD or No Fog hack. IF I was running the TD or the no fog thing on that particular day that I was flying, what difference would that have done since your server didn’t /doesn’t run any fog maps on there anyway. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

The ONLY Email or Message I got from you was that Email about my Dial-Up “Slowing down your server” which you know **** well that was NOT the case on my part, because you told me yourself that C4 was made for Dial-up. You just didn’t like THE fact that I was kicking your butt and so you made up that stupid excuse, and so now that I got DSL and a new computer, came back into your server and kicked your sorry butt from one end of the map to the other, and now you come up with this Crap about TD and No Fog hacks, so you SHOW US, SHOW ME THE PROOF that I was “cheating”

One of the reasons why I got out of RCS was because some members where testing MODs, HACKS, and or Cheats and changing the C4 files to enable them. I for one will NOT have anything to do with that. as I DO NOT CHEAT, NEVER HAVE (for the past 8 years), and NEVER WILL.

I’m just here to play and have fun but, It’s sad to see that you are NOT here for that, and even more so when you try to promote honor and good sportsmanship. YET when your name isn’t at the top of the list at the end of the game you make up excuses to ban people (GOOD PLAYERS) from your server, Players like myself that took the time to play the game to improve my skills and become A better pilot. That shows what kind of a person you really are. So instead of going around telling people how to run their servers why don’t you go back to yours and try to work on your pilot skills.

So, you can ban me and other people from your server for whatever the reason , HECK you can continue to isolate yourself and your server from the rest of us for all I care. I wouldn’t wanna go back into your sever and play with anyone the likes of you anyway. I just wanted to let everyone here know what kind of a person you really are.

-Viper

[MasterX(BKC)]

much anger in this one i fear.
be concerned we must be!

The path to the darkside is decerned by bad judgement.

[Rotor6]

Am I the only one who caught this from his statement? I rest my case...

"IF I was running the TD or the no fog thing on that particular day that I was flying, what difference would that have done since your server didn’t /doesn’t run any fog maps on there anyway."

PS.. Not all of our maps are no fog.. Only the Battle maps that Avenger made...

[MasterX(BKC)]

IF I was running the TD or the no fog thing on that particular day that I was flying, what difference would that have done since your server didn’t /doesn’t run any fog maps on there anyway. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

time to insert a (smack self in face) euphamism. lol, good catch rotor.

[HotShotFWP]

Am I the only one who caught this from his statement? I rest my case...

"IF I was running the TD or the no fog thing on that particular day that I was flying, what difference would that have done since your server didn’t /doesn’t run any fog maps on there anyway."

PS.. Not all of our maps are no fog.. Only the Battle maps that Avenger made...


In all fairness to Viper, I get a different understanding when I read this statement. To me, it sounds like he's saying I kiil you at long distance when there is no fog in a map, and the server wasn't running fog maps. In other words, the fog makes no difference, I always get the best of you in clear day or fog.

You two seem to be contradicting each other in your recollection.

I can't see how the use of TD can be proved or disproved, It seems just to be a matter of taking ones word or a matter of trust that one uses it or not. I mean you can't prove it by taking a screenshot, as if it was using sidewinders and a screenshot could capture the pink fireball and black smoke, thereby proving the use of a cheat or hack.

I say just leave this alone for now. It doesn't appear the ban will be lifted.

I hope someday we can all get along again and fly in all the servers that are up.

[Reaper]

Everyone had their say, This became to personal with names, squads and other crap brought up.

This thread should have taken place on squad sites between the players involved. Airing this to the rest of the community broke the main rules CPD has had in place for years.

It's locked now. Any one who wants keep going can do it somewhere else