Odyssey Mod for C4

[Reaper]

A weeks ago I put a few screen shots up of a mod in progress, At this point the mod is about half complete, I have over a 100 and 50 hours in this so far. There are over 60 new items tested and packed in the game, The website is up. how-ever the space page is under construction, the items are done just havent taken screen shots yet, The urban warfare items are not completed yet and there are some more military items I want to create.

With that said here is a link to the site, with more information. At this time if there are some assets the community would like in the mod now is the time to say so.

http://www.c4mod.com/

[Santa AkA SoDam]

WoW Reaper……. Well done indeed!!

One question

Once we have downloaded your update, would we still be able to play C4 in the usual way?

Sorry for asking a dumb question!!

[Reaper]

This is not an update, it is a full revamp of C4. It will not touch any install of C4 you have when you install it. The mod does not install into your currant c4 install and uses none of those files.

Odyssey will install as a complete game of it's own. It will have a diff icon than the original C4, so you can tell them apart at a glance.

There are 2 reasons for this, first I didn't want this to effect any other mod you have installed. Second most of the orginal C4 objects are being replaced, Or altered so they can not be used in a stock server.

As far as game play goes, you will join and host just as you do now, There will be weapon changes similar to the 1 hit mod. There are no changes being made to the way you can fly, The new Black Ops skins do not effect how you fly, they are the same for both teams now, ie red doesn't get desert camo and blue gets stuck with green.

Because the new items are at a larger scale, some with lights and other reasons the mod will use more resources and have more effect on performance than C4 does now.

Some other game play notes:
OD is designed for version 1.5 there will be no error crash points, No counts are more likley to happen to players with fast fire macros.

The reason for version 1.5 is the way you can still hand edit and save the config file for unlocked game types.

OD is not camper friendly, if you sit and passive shoot most of the time you will get killed. You can not passive shoot as far in OD

There are large flat areas and even a few flat terrains for some large building sites, bigger than anything in C4 now, some maps will be designed so players use the buildings and objects for cover instead of terrain.

The site only shows part of the items for the mod, the space items should be up sometime this weekend.

I expect to update mod information every few weeks even if I take a break and there is nothing to report till OD is released.

[Sp4wN19]

So when can we expect the OD to be ready?
So far it looks very good, keep up the good work.

[Charger]

darn...I just went to try and download it and realize its not avalible yet. Looks really good.

[Santa AkA SoDam]

RGR that Reaper....... I can’t wait......

Can you please turn on the auto respaun timer (in the config file) for 3 sec's to help stop invis.

Is it an idea instead of reducing the passive distance (to stop campers) could you make campers auto explode within 30secs if no grid movement/change detected.
Or can you simply make the helicopter unable to turn left or right when the engine is off? This is a huge flaw that helped make the term "campers" it was one of the bigest flaws in C4, along with the respaun timer bieng turned off. (that helped make pilots invis all the time)

[GarretJax]

Looks really sweet Reaper! I like the fact the flying (controls and handling) will be the same as C4.....sure would like to be involved in the beta testing when you get it up....looking forward to the release!:agree.gif::099.gif::singing::dance:

[Reaper]

Respawn will be set at 5 secs to help with network lag also, however since that is a config setting the server can change it back.

I am not a programmer, changing flight properties would require someone to edit the game code in the exe file. Chances are it would break another part of the game, maybe making spawn rape a bigger problem if you were to lose spawn armour.

The weapons settings and maps will be set up for faster game play, you can still passive target, just not as far. Spawns will be closer together so players will not have the flight time to get to the action stock Nova maps do.

[Santa AkA SoDam]

you can still passive target, just not as far.

I hope this will fix the TD cheat and make play abit more even :yelclap.gif:

I wonder if Master X knows how to fix the turning left/right while the engine is off?......This will fix the darn campers......

But to be honest campers havent been a problem of late, just the trailers get in the way!!:LolLolLolLol:

[Knuckles]

Very nice work, you should promote your mods in the Nova forums. Not only would it be a way of advertising your mod, but possibly draw more attention to the game and hopefully a few new players.

Keep up the good work! :Blasting_anim.gif:

[yomullethead]

I hope this will fix the TD cheat and make play abit more even :yelclap.gif:


Question? Why would something built into the game by the game builder be considered a Cheat??????:puzzled:

[Reaper]

Question? Why would something built into the game by the game builder be considered a Cheat??????:puzzled:

Game programmers put things in the game to better access parts of the game to save time when they program.

example td:
The programmer is at the point where they are beta testing the combat in multi player so they put td in to see where the other players are.

Most of the items are removed before the game goes gold however sometimes they miss stuff.

The bottom line is it was hidden in the game, players never had access to it un-till someone hacked the game and found it. So if you use it, the other players don't, many don't even know it's there, makes it a cheat ie using a hidden game setting to gain an advantage.

[yomullethead]

Not to sound like an ASS Reaper, but like you said: Yes, many software programmers do use utilize other programs to make life and or work easier when codding software, BUT like you said: ie: Quote:

http://checkpointdelta.net/showthread.php?t=4870
(http://checkpointdelta.net/showthread.php?t=4870)

The night vision evn I bought into c4 uses a bin file you need to use a hack tool to create, most of the meds used to map were hacked to open up the utility so it could map better, the KOTH games and other locked games if I can get them to play will reqiure some kind of hacking to make them work. I could go on but you see my point.


Well your point is mute, NO software builder would EVER--- leave any Exe. file left in a software release unless they were intending to use it for either an additional release of either an upgrade or What some would call an Easter Egg...for future gaming when the game has run it's course.


Even though like you stated before you used a HACK to read the EXE file of C4 to make your MOD, and I'm saying you are not wrong for doing so... What I am saying is when someone comes along and breaths life back into a game and keeps the interest for YOU like---------------~DOC~--------------


http://checkpointdelta.net/showthread.php?t=3907&highlight=~Doc~ Locked Thread.

(http://checkpointdelta.net/showthread.php?t=3907&highlight=%7EDoc%7E%20Locked%20Thread.)
You must keep in mind That I assume that ~Doc~ did so to keep the game ALIVE but after posts claiming this was a cheat, even though he tried to let EVERYONE now about an EXE command that was left in the software by Novalogic he was Chastised by YOU and several others for letting it be known it was there, You are NOW letting it be known now that you have hacked the software to take the the game to another level even though you have nothing even close to being evolved with the Novalogic gaming team. All I am saying is keep up the good work and lets keep the game ALIVE even if Nova Chooses not to support it.

Just keep in mind that there are several other command line extensions that could be utilized with in the command line that where built into the gaming engine for Comanche by Novalogic, that has still not been released like TD and there are, trust me, but just keep up the good work and you MAY see in the near future..... not a C5 but a C4 1.25


Later,

/Wink/Wink :naughty.gif: I am the Evil one...................

[Reaper]

Well your point is mute, NO software builder would EVER--- leave any Exe. file left in a software release unless they intended to use it for either an additional release of an upgrade.

Are you sure, this is the same company that released a game with errors in both game versions scoring, left the option to use coop enemy strenth setting so it worked in the other multi player game types, left a bad collision box on the tunnel so players could hide glitch in it and other game issues when they released C4.

That was just C4 I have every game they built on this game engine from release, So does the other person I do most of my online game play with.
I can tell you they all had problems with programming errors found after they released each of them. Then other errors created from patches.

The comment NO software builder would EVER--- leave any Exe with something like td doesn't match Nova's history.

But even if you are right, why was it not left as an open game option or config file setting.

Any mod I ever released to the public was either ran server side or the player using the mod did not have an advantage as in the night vision. The other players with out the file had a day evn load so they had the advantage, if that was not the case I would not have released it.

None of this matters to me anyway, I am sure other players are running command line exploits other players don't know about, I am sure other players are running cheats they wrote them selves. I don't play open servers enough to face players who make an exuse to juice weapons, run no fog cheats or td. Even if I could code I would not waist my time trying to stop cheaters, I don't play enough with them to care.

As for the mod, I am not doing it for the community, I create and play with the game items and build maps like other people paint, write or do any thing creative I do it for fun. If Nova had the same comanche game play in Joint Ops I would not even look at C4. The game is 10 times better to map and mod.

I spent the weekend killing space ships and star fighters using the comanche.
Worked on a tracked arctic cat for the arctic section of the mod. Then finished up working on some terrains. My weekend was all game time for me, That was at least 72 hours in my 3 day weekend. My kids are all raised, my time is all mine now, I never even played with another player all week end.

Releasing it to other players is just the end result, I don't even care if anyone plays it.

That is the long way of saying it doesn't matter to me what the rest of you do. I don't even care if anyone playes C4 or not.

But any one who spends their game time playing online with other players should know how they play effects rather other players want to play C4. Unless you really like the single player lol. :lol4:

[Bluetiereign]

Mullet. This thread is about the Odyssey Mod. Any other debates should be in a new thread please.

Thanks buddy.

[DAD]

This post is direct for use of NEW WEAPON,Over the years that I have been playing Comanche4,there has been a need for a new Comanche4 game or some type of update,But over the years the Company of Novalogic has been down sizing,In there man power and even with a petition (which we all thank you Rotor )for a new Comanche4 game.Now as I have been reading and trying too keep up on current events with Comanche4,I have come up with some of my own ways for Novalogic to improve on Comanche4 if it is not possible to make a new Comanche4 game at least and update and the only place that I can see too where they can improve is on there weapons load out.(you must learn to walk before you can run).
Now here is quotes from some well knowen pliot.First Reaper(please read where it says C4 multi player,with altered weapons) :
This mod is a complete re-build of C4 multi player, with altered weapon settings, new buildings, objects and around 45 new environments. The environments cover a wide range of time and place, every thing from typical day, dusk, dawn with some set for snow. Included are night evns with stars the darkness set at varous darkness levels, none are so dark you can not see where your flying. The night/heat vision I made before have been adjusted with second versions created to be lighter with new skys. Have also created more versions of northern lights for new rainbow effects.

Some maps will have thunder and lightning.

There are some custom space evns for the space maps.

If all goes well even search and destroy will have red/blue color blinking targets.

Fog for all maps is set at 2000 metters, you can not remove all fog or there is an ugly line in the horizen, the game all so uses fog to reduce rendering items at a distance to help game performance.

Once I have all the models completed and tested, test search and destroy, I will post compete information and put out the mod web site url so you can see what is coming.

How ever I am still a few months away before a beta will be ready for release, there is alot of work and it takes time to complete it.
Now if you all read on more in this matter you will see that Iam only promoting for change and unfortunately there are those who only see this as a cheat as for me I don't.And now I am going to aply some rules when you are using altered weapons:
You must announce that you are packing HEAVY,then you must load in the way that the helo can carry (just like in the real world).And if asked to switch back to normal load out,you MUST switch back,unless all other players are in agreement.
You can use 30mm connons at 500 rounds.
You can load 28 sidewinder or 28 stingers Not 56 stingers if you are caught you will be kicked off the server.
You can load 12 sidewinders and 16 stingers or 12 stingers and 16 sidewinders.
I think with these rules it will add to the FUN of C4 and for those who don't want to follow these rules don't come in.Now to give my thoughts on to new pilots in order too be able to have such weapons they need to earn our trust.For those who we know (Now they may have already and then again they may not)and are knowen to have commonscence lets fly....
So for boycott on this,there is a good chance that you'll be missing out on fun but if this goes agaist your principles,boycott you must.You'll still have my respect and it will alway be an hounor to fly with you or agaist you.

Before I forget I do agree with POST 5-7-10 of Reaper's,who is a person that I call a fair man he looks at thing with common sence no fast jugements....

[Reaper]

This post is direct for use of NEW WEAPON,Over the years that I have been playing Comanche4,there has been a need for a new Comanche4 game or some type of update,But over the years the Company of Novalogic has been down sizing,In there man power and even with a petition (which we all thank you Rotor )for a new Comanche4 game.Now as I have been reading and trying too keep up on current events with Comanche4,I have come up with some of my own ways for Novalogic to improve on Comanche4 if it is not possible to make a new Comanche4 game at least and update and the only place that I can see too where they can improve is on there weapons load out.(you must learn to walk before you can run).
Now here is quotes from some well knowen pliot.First Reaper(please read where it says C4 multi player,with altered weapons) :
This mod is a complete re-build of C4 multi player, with altered weapon settings, new buildings, objects and around 45 new environments. The environments cover a wide range of time and place, every thing from typical day, dusk, dawn with some set for snow. Included are night evns with stars the darkness set at varous darkness levels, none are so dark you can not see where your flying. The night/heat vision I made before have been adjusted with second versions created to be lighter with new skys. Have also created more versions of northern lights for new rainbow effects.

Some maps will have thunder and lightning.

There are some custom space evns for the space maps.

If all goes well even search and destroy will have red/blue color blinking targets.

Fog for all maps is set at 2000 metters, you can not remove all fog or there is an ugly line in the horizen, the game all so uses fog to reduce rendering items at a distance to help game performance.

Once I have all the models completed and tested, test search and destroy, I will post compete information and put out the mod web site url so you can see what is coming.

How ever I am still a few months away before a beta will be ready for release, there is alot of work and it takes time to complete it.
Now if you all read on more in this matter you will see that Iam only promoting for change and unfortunately there are those who only see this as a cheat as for me I don't.And now I am going to aply some rules when you are using altered weapons:
You must announce that you are packing HEAVY,then you must load in the way that the helo can carry (just like in the real world).And if asked to switch back to normal load out,you MUST switch back,unless all other players are in agreement.
You can use 30mm connons at 500 rounds.
You can load 28 sidewinder or 28 stingers Not 56 stingers if you are caught you will be kicked off the server.
You can load 12 sidewinders and 16 stingers or 12 stingers and 16 sidewinders.
I think with these rules it will add to the FUN of C4 and for those who don't want to follow these rules don't come in.Now to give my thoughts on to new pilots in order too be able to have such weapons they need to earn our trust.For those who we know (Now they may have already and then again they may not)and are knowen to have commonscence lets fly....
So for boycotton there is a good chance that you'll be missing out on fun but if this goes agaist your principles,boycott you must.You'll still have my respect and it will alway be an hounor to fly with you or agaist you.

The problem with C4 and the way it was released when it comes to weapon settings and other game functions:

Some players down right change game files with the intent to cheat, Many players would not have an issue with a player who ran with 28 side winders or a mix of sidewinders and stingers in that weapons type load out.

Similar weapons, just a mix to give players more choice in how they set up the weapons load out.

But the problem is the players that come in with the intent to cheat, those sidewinders or stingers turn into 800 and the players can fly thru the terrain and solid objects. When you play with them you are lit up like a neon light. They turn the fog off and make other changes to the game I wont go into. The fact that players can cheat and may not get caught adds to the distrust of other players. Once you add in the odd game and network errors that can happen when a player is not cheating makes the problem worse.

The way players can exploit the game is passed by word of mouth. The fact there is no real cheat protection gives players that want to play stock no choice but to lock the server and play with a limited number of players.

Players choose diff ways of dealing with these issues most leave the game and just won't play anymore.

Others play open servers and live with the cheats untill they get mad enough they stop playing or join the crowd and say any thing goes, if every one else is going to cheat then I will to, just to make it even.

Some lock the server and only play with others they trust, hoping the players they trust are honest.

Some players stay away from multiplay all together, they create new game content, play with it and because they don't think the community is honest does not share what they create.

Or they share what they create, but will not play with the rest of you. I fall into the last type.

There were personal and internet attacks on one of the guys who could code and did so to help stop cheating in C4, That player left the community and no longer is here to give you many of the game assets he created. The community as a whole lost out big time and doesn't even know it.

This game engine was updated and Nova built other games after C4, Those games have some really cool affects such as real time weather effects including rain and snow, coop missions where the creater can use text and sound to communicate with the players much better than C4 does. Time of day rotation where the map evn changes as you play the mission, it may start at 3 in the morning so dark you can hardly see and end at 10 am with the sun and the evn making the rotation so it seems like the mission played in real time. So yes there is some things that Nova could put in an updated C4 that would make this game 10 times better.

Anti cheat is one of the things that makes or breaks games, most players want to know the other player who kill them did so with out cheating, This is one of the areas Nova has failed and a large number former Nova players have moved to other games where the company provides anti cheat players think works.

Those of you that do not play other Nova games just do not know how cheating and lack of support has effected all of Nova game not just C4. You may not even have a C4 lobby in the near future. With out it C4 will come to an end.

Bottom line:
There are some things that can be done to combat some of the cheating, But for the most part cheats find a way around it. Many of the ways players cheat the average player is not aware of.

Everyone is suspect you don't know what any one else does to their game or what they are running, you don't have access to their computer. History proves some squad members have cheated for years in the past and other members of the squad did not know.

They are always players that make exuses for exploiting the game, Like it or not, it is still cheating, and some players do not want to play with you, they also do not think it is fair when you pass the exploits on to other players, then say it's out in the open now so it's not a cheat, the rest can use it to.