what do you want in a new game

[Reaper]

Start listing the things you would like to see.

I will start.

game types;
DM, TDM, TKOTH, COOP, Single player.

Mod Tools.
Terrain gen, and object importer

game attributes
Joy stick control, radar/ weapons lock used in C4.
1st and 3rd person view,
Stingers, hydras and cannons for weapons
2 flight models, the Apache requiring pilot and gunner, the Raw Pah single control for weapons and flight.

[HotShotFWP]

I would like to see the following in an updated or similar Comanche 4 game:

AntiCheat:

-cheater protection (something like punkbuster or what Nova uses now,
is better than nothing)

Player Names:

-Possibly the ability to have a protected Game username (so no other
players can use your username)


Game Types:

-Air and ground targets in Single player mode
-Coop missions
-DM
-TDM

Game attributes:

-Multi input controller compatibility and Force feedback support

-Retaining the technology as in C4 where stingers smartly track a target
without having to lock onto the target, but also better countermeasure
ability than in C4.

-A variey of aircraft models/skins
-the Co pilot idea sounds great (pilot and gunner).

Mission Building:

-This ability would be great. It breaks the monotony of just routinely going
through a fixed mission.

Modding:

-This capability would be great too. The C4 cummunity modders
can provide for us well appreciated new scenery and terrain. It's always a
plus to have this ability with a game. Look how long it's had us playing C4
without an update.

[Knuckles]

All of the above and....

More varity of terrains (instead of one retiled to look like 5 different ones.)

Weather, rain and snow (read it in another post sounded really cool)

Night vision (with night time ENV's)

More skyscraper buildings (only 2 1/2 types now)

Option to connect by IP (for when Nova does its random "updating")

Game types: TDM, DM, COOP, TKOTH, S&D, and CTF
I know CTF not very realistic but might be fun in choppers!

PSP- Progressive Spawn Points* (I think thats what those were called in BHD)

[Dark Warrior]

I like this well especially the co pilot mode
but the ultimate would be to invest more games nova so as to have a team of pilots in support of ground troops :thumb:

[Santa AkA SoDam]

You know what would be cool??

All of the above but Instead of helicopters how about if we were able to fly these around.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m306/SoDam_2006/HK.jpg

They would be faster flying than a helicopter. And imagine the terrain of a post nuclear earth.

In addition, the public would go absoulety crazy over something like this.

It would mean megga money for Nova!!
And that would mean we could stand a chance of getting what we wish for!!

[Hawkeye]

I have not played a lot of online games, but of the ones I have played, C4 has been the most fun by far. I have made friends with my squad members<BKC> and still keep in touch with them. I miss the competition, friendship(among all squads) and hours of fun C4 brought. I wish Nova would either enhance the current C4 or give us a new one. I would buy it the day it hit the store.

[wildman2]

Mod tools,mod tool, mod tools.Terrain gen, and object importer, med etc..
Multiple types of helo's at least 1 with 2 ppl in it to function proper,1 gunner 1 pilot.
Game types TDM, DM, COOP, TKOTH, S&D, CTF and Single player.
Tunnels. If not complete tunnel system then have short tunnels with 90 degree bend opening up into an indoor hanger of sorts.
Good Joy stick controls.
Anti-cheat of some sort.
Weather, rain, snow wind.All would affect the handling of the helo and the weaponry..
Better countermeasure's.
Heads up display night vision mode.

[Charger]

A new and realistic Targeting System.

If anyone is familiar with Comanche3's targeting system, though its been a while for me I vagly remember that you had to absolutly varifie the target before you pulled the trigger? It had a rectagular box that had to lock the traget and there was info beneath it that indicated what the object was...maybe it was another game I can't remember but there wasn't this big green circle "lock, gun and run" system like C4. Something a little more sophisticated but not something that would frustrate the hell of you. Something that could allow for pilot error, like in real life. If this makes sense, its early...or late depending on what part of the world your in.

Maybe Nova could take some lessons from these games...lol Chopper Games (http://onemansblog.com/2007/06/06/amusing-little-helicopter-game/)

[AoxoMoxoA]

Cant think of anything to add...but everything mentioned gets my vote. Aox

[GarretJax]

Really like the 2 flight models as Reaper suggested.......Would like to see them get rid of the "GarretJax decided its all to much" stuff:brutal173.gif:

[AoxoMoxoA]

Yeah, thats a good point GJ...it should be a bit more informative. I'd like to see a message that tells you how you were taken out. For example: "Aox received 3 stingers fired by GJ at 5000m from co-ordinates blah blah and stealth blah blah". Come to think of it, it'd be good to have some confirmation about the stinger thing to stop arguments about cheating, perhaps some indication of stingers fired and stingers hit. Hi you guys btw...aint played for a while...but that aint by choice. Aox

[Reaper]

Yeah, thats a good point GJ...it should be a bit more informative. I'd like to see a message that tells you how you were taken out. For example: "Aox received 3 stingers fired by GJ at 5000m from co-ordinates blah blah and stealth blah blah". Come to think of it, it'd be good to have some confirmation about the stinger thing to stop arguments about cheating, perhaps some indication of stingers fired and stingers hit. Hi you guys btw...aint played for a while...but that aint by choice. Aox


I would would not expect anything more than player killed player death message from the game.

Every game after C4 had some type of anti cheat. Players were banned, Nova has a wall of shame for players busted in Nova servers. Squads also had a player created anticheat for BHD.

One of the reasons I felt this was a good time to petition Nova is because most of the stuff we want is in Joint Operations and DFX 2.

We are not asking for much more than a modded version of those games. The truth is if we could bring in one of the guys who codes the other game mods we could do this with out Nova. There are 2 problems with that even if a coder would help us.

The weapons in the other games work nothing like C4 first there is no weapons lock you get missles and guns u aim with the chopper. ( Nova would need to add weapons lock, heat seeking stingers, hydras).

pilot/gunner set up is already in JO and DFX 2.Original JO had missles control by pilot no gunner needed.

There is a tool to import BHD items to JO/DFX C4 items can be added to BHD already (not ai people), BHD has a drivable veh mod with choopers (no weapons?).

Weather affects (fog, rain, snow) day to night advance thru a map, has already been done in other games.

Much of the .wac scripting (controles things like weather, text messages to players, used by mappers/missions builders is server side, players don't need the wac files to see many of the effects and messages

To draw new players in we need a new release from Nova not a JO or DFX 2 mod, players will not want to buy a 4 year old game just to run a mod from it.

Even if Nova will do this, ( Nova generally does not respond to the community, They may see this as a good idea and never tell us.) it will not happen over night it may be a year or more before we get a new game. So we still need to look at C4 and still mod the game somewhat our selves to keep players interested. I still have stuff created for C4 none of the community has seen yet.

Not to take the wind out of anybodys sails just want everyone to understand most of what we want really is available now in the games Nova already released.

Lets do a poll of what we want to ask for then post the petition later this week.

As far as C4 goes now mabe by the end of the summer there may be some new stuff for the community to play with this winter.

[Rotor6]

We need the latest Graphics Engine, more capacity for creating weather (snow, rain, etc), more choices for map making, like new scenery and terrain options. New weapons loading options, new aircraft coloring, updated video quality (preferably HD), and overall game performance enhancements, to bring it up to Nova’s current standards for gaming performance.

[tanzanos]

All the above Plus ground forces. Imagine having to defend your base from ground forces while keeping an eye out for bogeys in the sky! The possibility of surviving a crash and requesting heli pick up.
**** anything will do so long as Nova brings out a new C4!!!!!:alcoholic.gif:Tatataaaata tatataaata (Valkyries)

[Santa AkA SoDam]

I wish for...

The possibility to change your flying craft (just the look of it) from a Comanche, apachee, terminator hunter killer, etc etc

I also think that the very best ideas can be shown via poll questions.

May I suggest that there should be at least nine poll questions, and the top three make it to the wish list?

[Bluetiereign]

I'd be happy for the updated game and graphics engine, the chance for wac usage, the ability to use the modding tools provided for JO...

The petition... how are we doing it ?

[Rotor6]

Where do we stand on getting this off to Nova? What is the plan for contacting them? Do we have a POC to speak or write to that will resond? Sorry, I just have not seen these questions answered...

[Santa AkA SoDam]

Also, I wish for a capture the flag type of game, where you have to return it to your base to score a point.

The flag then re-spawns at WP1 and the action starts all over again!

[Reaper]

Where do we stand on getting this off to Nova? What is the plan for contacting them? Do we have a POC to speak or write to that will resond? Sorry, I just have not seen these questions answered...

The Nova web site was down for a few days last week. so I wanted to wait till it was up again.

At this point the best option is to post the petition at Nova in the Comanche 4 section so it doesn't get spammed.

I liked the version you wrote earlier. There are links and information for contact at the Novaworld forums and the company address.

These are the nova people that answer questions, work for Nova and check the forums, they can be messaged from their profile pages.

Wupass =EVL=
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4a4648147d49a&do=/public/user/name_Wupass/

The Kyle ^TAO^
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4a464a1a84d62&do=/public/user/name_The Kyle/

ravenn =EVL=
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4a464a8b5a2da&do=/public/user/name_ravenn/

EvilMaker =EVL=
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4a464b0124cff&do=/public/user/name_EvilMaker/


NLMarketing
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4a4649bc023b4&do=/public/user/name_NLMarketing/

NOVALOGIC address in Cali where the company is located
NovaLogic, Inc.
27489 Agoura Road, Suite 300
Agoura Hills, CA 91301
818.880.1997

You should post the petition some time next week, then everyone needs to log in and post to it. Once thats done the players should wait a few days for everyone to sign, Then send a message to Wupass, The Kyle, ravenn, EvilMaker and NLMarketing by going to thier personal pages to send a short note saying I signed the petition and in the Comanche 4 section so they read it.

Once thats done I will copy the thread and mail it to the company address in Agoura Hills, Ca

[HotShotFWP]

OK, I'm on standby, checking here dayly, to act when this kicks off.:thumb:

Cya all around.

[Rotor6]

Do you want to start it here, the Original Nova page, or Nova2 Forums? In looking at the N2 forums, there's not one place to get a lot of eyes on it, everything is by game...? We need to post it up front, where all will be looking. I also did some revisions; here's the current one:




PETITION


We, the worldwide members of the Comanche 4 Gaming Community, hereby petition Novalogic Inc. for a new/updated Comanche game program to replace/update our favorite game of all time… Comanche 4.
Since the release of Comanche 4 in 2001, many of us have spent untold hours learning all aspects of the games’ operation, its files, and its limits, to create some very masterful maps, scenery, and tactical engagements, but we are now at the end of what we can do, because we have reached the limits of what the game can do. We have supported C4 this long, because we enjoy the game, the battles, the tactics, the flying, and above all, the friends and friendships we have made over the years. Now, it’s time for Nova to step up and show us that our efforts to keep this game alive all these years have not been in vain.
We need a new, updated game or new version of C4, with the latest Graphics Engine, more capacity for creating weather (snow, rain, etc), more choices for map making, like new scenery and terrain options, new weapons and loading options, new aircraft coloring, updated video quality (preferably HD), and overall game performance enhancements to bring it up to Nova’s current standards for gaming performance.
Comanche 4, as we see it, was Nova’s Flagship Game. The one game that got Nova recognized, and the one that all other Nova games (since) have been created from. Now, it’s Comanche 4’s turn to be updated, to once again shine as Nova’s Flagship Helicopter Combat Sim.
Our members are standing-by to provide input and do testing at your convenience. We have websites, commercial and private game servers, VOIP, and many other communication or game server options, available for your use. We have map designers, mission planners, and plenty of top notch, computer smart guys and gals, who would love to assist you in any way they can.
Our central point of contact for this effort is at www.checkpointdelta.net (http://www.checkpointdelta.net/) under Comanche 4. There, you will find many discussions on this topic and many suggestions for the new version.
We await your input and hope that you become actively engaged in bringing us a new Comanche program.


By posting on this forum, we do hereby agree with the above statements and sign our names in full support of this effort, as supporters and members of the Comanche 4 Worldwide Gaming Community.

[Bluetiereign]

sounds good to me. I'm on dialup and not sure I'm reading it correctly... but what I do see looks good.

[Santa AkA SoDam]

Thats a mighty fine speach there R6!!

Have i got this right?
We all need to spam these people,

Wupass =EVL=
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?...r/name_Wupass/

The Kyle ^TAO^
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?.../user/name_The Kyle/

ravenn =EVL=
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?...r/name_ravenn/

EvilMaker =EVL=
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?...ame_EvilMaker/

NLMarketing
http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?...e_NLMarketing/


With the petition that R6 made for us.
And the more of us that do it the better.

We also need to make a public thread in the novaworld forums using the same petiton?

Is this the plan?

[Reaper]

Rotor, post the petition in the Nova community forums in the C4 section.
Use the section so the trolls wont hyjack the petition.
Once the petition is posted all players need to log in and sign it. wait 2 days so everyone gets a chance then spam the links I posted.

[HotShotFWP]

Hey R6, let us know when you post the petition over there?

[Rotor6]

It's posted.. EVERYONE needs to go there and post...!

[Santa AkA SoDam]

Here is the link

http://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4a4d2c28e1ee3&do=/public/forums/display_topic/id_7778/